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LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) · Mar 12, 2015

TBF I forgot Redpath was still with Sale.

Mrs. Peter Quinn · Mar 13, 2015

hahahahahahahaaaaa

Tom Lindsay (Wasps) -----> Gloucester Rugby.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31855190

Gloucester aiming high I see

But this pretty much confirms that Ashley Johnson will play Hooker next season.

Raggs · Mar 13, 2015

Well, that, and the fact that Johnson has repeatedly stated it in newspaper articles, on Rugby Tonight, and by actually playing there. And Dai Young has stated that Johnson will be playing there.

But if Lindsay moving is what it takes to convince you, fair enough

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munstermuffin · Mar 13, 2015

Groundhog said:
BJ Botha has signed a 6 month contract with Munster. I love the man dearly but he's on his way out.

We need him here though. Depth isn't great and well experience is very low in front row. Archer still has little injury ****les so can't take on all the workload himself. It has been recommended that we go after 1 of Leinster's lad so well guess it's wait and see. Hence it only being a 6 month contract and murmurs around the training paddock there is definitely something in the works.

Mrs. Peter Quinn · Mar 13, 2015

Raggs said:
Well, that, and the fact that Johnson has repeatedly stated it in newspaper articles, on Rugby Tonight, and by actually playing there. And Dai Young has stated that Johnson will be playing there.

But if Lindsay moving is what it takes to convince you, fair enough .

haha... nah, I knew it was pretty much a fait accompli but didn't realise Dai had actually talked about it publicly. And yeah, Ash covered there but sometimes you can't separate necessity from intent, as at times we've really been left bereft of options with both Festy and Shervington have been out.
How do you feel about this move, Raggs?

Shame Lindsay never became the player we thought he could be, but I guess he's still young ish.

ratsapprentice · Mar 13, 2015

HenryChinaski said:
Shame Lindsay never became the player we thought he could be, but I guess he's still young ish.

Hopefully he will go some way to doing so now, would be a great shame if he didn't... I guess we'll see.

Raggs · Mar 13, 2015

HenryChinaski said:
haha... nah, I knew it was pretty much a fait accompli but didn't realise Dai had actually talked about it publicly. And yeah, Ash covered there but sometimes you can't separate necessity from intent, as at times we've really been left bereft of options with both Festy and Shervington have been out.
How do you feel about this move, Raggs?

Shame Lindsay never became the player we thought he could be, but I guess he's still young ish.

Ash approached Dai at the start of the season about moving to hooker, I'd guess when he played there it was less necessity and more letting him have a few run outs and seeing how he felt about making it permanent.

As to the move, which?

Ash to hooker could be inspired if he can do the basic hooking skills. I always felt our backrow was a little imbalanced, leaving us exposed at the breakdown, with Ash at 6. He's a fantastic player, but if he can make the move to 2, we keep his strengths and are able to boost our weaknesses.

Lindsay to Glaws, good luck to them, I like Lindsay, but he's never going to be a serious AP hooker, not even a bench option, unless his throwing improves, now maybe Glaws can make that happen, but I have no doubt that Lindsay and Wasps worked hard on it, but it's never happened for him. I actually wondered if he'd take the chance to move back (since I think he was briefly there) to flanker, in a sort of exchange with Ash. Seems like a waste of a very powerful guy, playing in a position where he simply can't master the basics, especially when it's such a specialised position.

goodNumber10 · Mar 13, 2015

Raggs said:
Ash approached Dai at the start of the season about moving to hooker, I'd guess when he played there it was less necessity and more letting him have a few run outs and seeing how he felt about making it permanent.

As to the move, which?

Ash to hooker could be inspired if he can do the basic hooking skills. I always felt our backrow was a little imbalanced, leaving us exposed at the breakdown, with Ash at 6. He's a fantastic player, but if he can make the move to 2, we keep his strengths and are able to boost our weaknesses.

Lindsay to Glaws, good luck to them, I like Lindsay, but he's never going to be a serious AP hooker, not even a bench option, unless his throwing improves, now maybe Glaws can make that happen, but I have no doubt that Lindsay and Wasps worked hard on it, but it's never happened for him. I actually wondered if he'd take the chance to move back (since I think he was briefly there) to flanker, in a sort of exchange with Ash. Seems like a waste of a very powerful guy, playing in a position where he simply can't master the basics, especially when it's such a specialised position.

Laurie Weeks is a stickler for the basics, bet he gets a decent spell of form out of him...

Mrs. Peter Quinn · Mar 13, 2015

Raggs said:
Ash approached Dai at the start of the season about moving to hooker, I'd guess when he played there it was less necessity and more letting him have a few run outs and seeing how he felt about making it permanent.

As to the move, which?

Ash to hooker could be inspired if he can do the basic hooking skills. I always felt our backrow was a little imbalanced, leaving us exposed at the breakdown, with Ash at 6. He's a fantastic player, but if he can make the move to 2, we keep his strengths and are able to boost our weaknesses.

Lindsay to Glaws, good luck to them, I like Lindsay, but he's never going to be a serious AP hooker, not even a bench option, unless his throwing improves, now maybe Glaws can make that happen, but I have no doubt that Lindsay and Wasps worked hard on it, but it's never happened for him. I actually wondered if he'd take the chance to move back (since I think he was briefly there) to flanker, in a sort of exchange with Ash. Seems like a waste of a very powerful guy, playing in a position where he simply can't master the basics, especially when it's such a specialised position.

I agree with what you say about Lindsay but unfortunately I feel it goes deeper than that.
On paper, his physical attributes suggest a very powerful carrier with real impact. It doesn't happen because his technique is quite poor...he carriers upright, loses momentum in the tackle and even gets turned over quite often. His workrate can't seem to rival that of other hookers either.

Raggs · Mar 13, 2015

I hope he comes good, but if not I just feel it's been something of a wasted career. Wasps have worked with Lindsay, I've been told (and I'd trust the source) that England were looking at him for a while and worked with him, Wasps have recently had Andy ***terall (who's basics were good) coaching part time, and this season working mostly with our hookers (I guess a lot with Ash). Some skills just aren't that easy to master if you don't do it at youth level, and not everyone is able to adapt easily.

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HenryChinaski said:
I agree with what you say about Lindsay but unfortunately I feel it goes deeper than that.
On paper, his physical attributes suggest a very powerful carrier with real impact. It doesn't happen because his technique is quite poor...he carriers upright, loses momentum in the tackle and even gets turned over quite often. His workrate can't seem to rival that of other hookers either.

I'd imagine all his time is spent on hooker basics, if he'd not spent time on that, he'd have been working on his workrate, breakdown and carrying. Perhaps he'd still have not got far, but it's frustrating to see him struggle for so long, especially now there's another player switching positions.

ratsapprentice · Mar 13, 2015

I don't think he moved to hooker until he was about 18, played all over the place before that - back row, wing and prop.

j'nuh · Mar 13, 2015

HenryChinaski said:
hahahahahahahaaaaa

Tom Lindsay (Wasps) -----> Gloucester Rugby.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31855190

Gloucester aiming high I see

But this pretty much confirms that Ashley Johnson will play Hooker next season.

You mean McAllister-Lindsay-PDJ doesn't make you a blubbering wreck, at the thought of facing them next season?

Raggs said:
Lindsay to Glaws, good luck to them, I like Lindsay, but he's never going to be a serious AP hooker, not even a bench option, unless his throwing improves, now maybe Glaws can make that happen, but I have no doubt that Lindsay and Wasps worked hard on it, but it's never happened for him. I actually wondered if he'd take the chance to move back (since I think he was briefly there) to flanker, in a sort of exchange with Ash. Seems like a waste of a very powerful guy, playing in a position where he simply can't master the basics, especially when it's such a specialised position.

So basically, when Hibbard gets tired, we can bring Hibbard #2 onto the field?

Raggs · Mar 14, 2015

Hibbards throwing is better than Lindsays

. Tom Youngs is basically a good example of what was hoped for from Lindsay. Acceptable hooker skills, and fantastic around the park, but without those acceptable skills, they go nowhere.

Mrs. Peter Quinn · Mar 14, 2015

Lindsay isn't fantastic around the field either though. He does nothing most of the time. Youngs on the other hand carries very well and, if tackle isn't quite the word, makes attackers trip over him very well indeed..

ratsapprentice · Mar 15, 2015

HenryChinaski said:
He does nothing most of the time.

It's true, but he is good when he does do stuff.

He'd be even better if he actually got the ball more often - I hope a change of scenery works for him, it seems as if he's been stuck in a rut for a couple of years.

Patchey · Mar 15, 2015

It's all a conspiracy so Dai can play his son in the back row without dropping Johnson or Haskell!

Raggs · Mar 15, 2015

Young the younger has certainly impressed.

Patchey · Mar 15, 2015

Raggs said:
Young the younger has certainly impressed.

For sure. My terrible banter aside, Wasps have a lot of depth in the back row. Hughes/Hask/Johnson make a hell of a starting set of loose forwards but behind them they have Young, Sam Jones (think he's had a lot of injuries this year?) and Guy Thompson. In that light Johnson playing hooker is a smart move if it comes off.

Raggs · Mar 15, 2015

Sam Jones has serious issues with concussion, we then have Gus Jones, who's received ringing endorsements from our ex academy coach, and potentially one or two others.

ajwffc · Mar 17, 2015

Grayson Hart
Edinburgh ----> Glasgow
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31922355

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