The Metal Thread

[ratsapprentice]

DS is definitely not just random chromatic chugging. Lille Gruber (the ultra-German dude in the video) is very much classically trained and knowledgable about theory.
They use it extensively in their songwriting - very little of their music is written off the cuff.

See here for an example: http://forums.smnnews.com/showthread.php?t=243029

I posted Fleshgod, Despised Icon and Gorod because I thought that you would like them based on what you've posted before!
I guess I judged wrong then.
By all logic I should hate DI, but actually they've got some great riffs.

The Chasm and Azarath are awesome. I can't say I listen to them anymore but Behemoth were definitely a gateway band for me - Inferno is a great drummer.

Destroy the Opposition and Killing On Adrenaline are two of my favorite records - nothing they've done since comes close.
But Descend Into Depravity is their best attempt since IMO.

I always find it funny how brutal Anaal Nathrakh sound, when they're practically a melodic DM band.

Krisiun aren't the greatest band ever, but they are awesome live.

I only put DM stuff in that list, I could recommend some grind and BM too if you want.

The tab is an official one posted by their bassist. The PM isn't all correct but other than that it's 100% accurate AFAIK.
It's the same tab used by the guy in the video.
I do tab, but DS is beyond my capabilities - ****'s haaard.

 

[Peat]

Not liking Behemoth? Dude.

Uhm. Yeah, the Lusting for Transcendance track, did nothing for me. Didn't feel brutal, didn't feel surprising. Impressive and all, but... the other one I did like.

Viremia didn't do much for me either. There's some Dim Mak I like.


I did like The Old Wind's track (welcome btw Muse Cubed). Post-metal might be a silly name, but there's all sorts of things going on in that general vicinity. Muse, you ever heard of Tombs? You might like them.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Did my attempt to explain why Dissection aren't a BM band make any sense, btw?

The drumming in the middle third of "Lusting..." is insane.

 

[Peat]

It mostly does, and I sorta agree, but mainly don't. Just lost that post in the mix.

 

[Big Ewis]

DS is definitely not just random chromatic chugging. Lille Gruber (the ultra-German dude in the video) is very much classically trained and knowledgable about theory.
They use it extensively in their songwriting - very little of their music is written off the cuff.

See here for an example: http://forums.smnnews.com/showthread.php?t=243029

I posted Fleshgod, Despised Icon and Gorod because I thought that you would like them based on what you've posted before!
I guess I judged wrong then.
By all logic I should hate DI, but actually they've got some great riffs.

The Chasm and Azarath are awesome. I can't say I listen to them anymore but Behemoth were definitely a gateway band for me - Inferno is a great drummer.

Destroy the Opposition and Killing On Adrenaline are two of my favorite records - nothing they've done since comes close.
But Descend Into Depravity is their best attempt since IMO.

I always find it funny how brutal Anaal Nathrakh sound, when they're practically a melodic DM band.

Krisiun aren't the greatest band ever, but they are awesome live.

I only put DM stuff in that list, I could recommend some grind and BM too if you want.

The tab is an official one posted by their bassist. The PM isn't all correct but other than that it's 100% accurate AFAIK.
It's the same tab used by the guy in the video.
I do tab, but DS is beyond my capabilities - ****'s haaard.

fair post. Except for the Chasm for me, and the fact I've never said DS was chromatic diarrhea and the dude might have graduated from "I own musical composition" University in Hamburg, most of those riffs are very basic ideas and some of them are just by-the-numbers typical metal riffage, this is even more evident on the tab you sent.
Definitely with you on the bolded part.
No Krisiun aren't the best DM band, but that song is BRUTAL, and I fkn love the tone, good voice too.

One of the VERY rare tech death bands I really like a lot:




Listen to the first 2 songs. From 0:00 to 11:25. Some ultra-original parts in there, and some fkng heavy as heavy fkng heavy stuff too, nice and clean production and super brutal vocals. From Québec...actually met a guy when I was there who was their session guitarist for a while.

 

[ratsapprentice]

for me, and the fact I've never said DS was chromatic diarrhea and the dude might have graduated from "I own musical composition" University in Hamburg, most of those riffs are very basic ideas and some of them are just by-the-numbers typical metal riffage, this is even more evident on the tab you sent.

That's the point I'm making though - they aren't.
The composition and playing is clearly very, very complex.

I'm very familiar with BTM. This is what I find strange - you call a band like DS by-the-numbers and then post bands like Viraemia and BTM as examples of original music.
Viraemia is basically pop-music played with DM guitar-sweeps and BTM are a not-quite-deathcore band trying to play Cryptopsy.
I enjoy BTM - but anything other than Cryptopsy worship with apish deathcore breakdowns? Nah.

 

[Big Ewis]

well in my head, the riff at 8:18 up there (for e.g.) is more original than all the DS stuff you've made me hear, and the chorus in particular to Pit of Pestilence with the arpeggios and that insane vibrato at the tail if you're bringing up Vir easily beat anything I've heard by a mile from DS. DS sounds to me like good brutal stuff but the definition in the musical ideas aren't close to what I've just mentioned, unlike Ulcerate which I admit have some excellent ideas there.
I don't think I'm going to convince you or vice versa, so let's just move on. Unless you want to discuss this further, no issue. But for me, I find it hard to step on your side.

 

[Big Ewis]

k, here's a topic, Dan Swanö. What does TRF think of him ? I'm rediscovering his 1998 solo effort Dan Swanö: Moontower. I love the use of keyboards, so Swedish, so fresh sounding. Very reminiscent of Soilwork (or rather the other way around). But the song-writing overall is very average, with peaks and then really boring parts. Later tracks are really good. I'm indulgent because I like Swanö and he's part of my personal "nostalgic mythology", and his vocals immediately remind me of Crimson (1996).

Anybody a fan of Edge of Sanity ? I know he played with Bloodbath too, but I think they're very mediocre. Pan-Thy-Monium was never what I wanted it to be, but has some interesting moments...finally, I love Nightingale, esp. the first album. Big fan of good Gothic rock, which is very rare.

This song is pretty damn good:

 

[ratsapprentice]

Very mixed output - some really good stuff and some equally bad stuff.

 

[Big Ewis]

Very mixed output - some really good stuff and some equally bad stuff.

what would you say is part of the good stuff ? Man, Moontower is better than I remembered it to be. You like Pan-Thy-Monium ?

 

[ratsapprentice]

Crimson is awesome - it's a bit pompous, but that doesn't necessarily detract from it's quality.
There are some good songs on The Spectral Sorrows and Twilight is a decent song.

I really like JesuSatan - so dumb.
I find the production and songwriting really hit the nostalgia spot - there isn't very much late 90's worth listening to, but the era definitely has a strong identity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyNp3U2HQNA

When I'm in the right mood (which isn't all that often) PTM is great.
Like I say though... I don't listen to it very much.

I'm not that familiar with Swano overall tbh.

 

[Big Ewis]

had heard of Infestdead but had no clue Swanö was involved. Heads down Swedish death metal...a bit of fun I suppose not bad.
Crimson pompous ? Yeah I see what you mean actually, but it's still genuinely good. It's not just good because of its format (40min track, tagged "progressive death metal"...) there's real musical content and great ideas in there.

Speaking of Gothic rock earlier, anybody into that kind of thing here ? Big Tiamat fan, most of their eras, but I love this album in particular. Such a nostalgic, cozy (and TRIPPY) sound:



Sad I never got to see them, and they played just a month before I got back to Mtrl once. This song is clearly one of their drug trip songs, the unpronounceable ***le is some natural drug in South America and although the song has a "noble", profound/melancholic feel, the lyrics don't match at all. Not a fan of that usually, I'd prefer lyrical/romantic (as in 'romanticism') words in this sort of atmosphere, but the stupid lyrics makes it funny/light.

 

[Peat]

I find Swano more miss than hit but his body of work is so freaking massive that it's very likely he's done some stuff I'd love which I've just missed, he's very capable of being on.

I listened to Wildhoney for the first time the other day, very good. Usually listen to Moonspell for that sort of thick. When it comes to goth, I tend to listen to Fields of the Nephilim and Dead Can Dance, but we're way away from anything to do with metal there (although Watain's They Rode On is a) Awesome b) Total FotN homage)

 

[Big Ewis]

Aahhh, Fields of Nephilim...they were never as good as I'd have wanted musically, but I LOVE the atmospheres. \m/ England.
Such a cool band name too. "Dead but Dreaming" must be the coolest song ***le I've ever encountered, dunno if it has precedence on FoN.



Vocalist is horrible, and the imagery is cheesy as fk, but again the atmosphere.
And yes, would love to post "the Carnival is over" by D.C.Dance, but it's not metal. But one of the most beautiful compositions I've ever heard in my life, and what deep lyrics.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Fenris :lol:

 

[Big Ewis]

here's a random yet brilliantly written industrial black metal track for anyone:




Vogg was associated with this act at some point. An absolute classic track in my mind library, ipod favorite.

 

[ratsapprentice]

And the best grind band ever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MesXsD39b5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUCen35WiM

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I like some forms of metal music purely musically but have never really been able to truly get into it becausealmost all the messages and/or imagery I feel really contrary too and I am just not an 'angry guy' and find hatefilled content off-puting. Could you afficionado's point me in the direction of any band(s) that are on the 'melodic' side and if there is anything with a 'positive message' in the genre?

 

[ratsapprentice]

You don't need to be angry to listen to metal any more than you need to be psychotic to watch Silence Of The Lambs.
Lyrics in Metal aren't particularly important on the whole - pro-tip: don't pay attention to them, the focus is on the instruments not the vocals.
Do you find it difficult because you're a christian?

Thrash is probably the best place to start.

Megadeth:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5jvUXij7nU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGEShf_aCmc

Metallica: (instrumentals)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTgznup5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qrwON1-zE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW3DCs9V-e8

Anthrax:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwi8muAVB2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHsxMqpL0c

None of that too "negative"?

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

You don't need to be angry to listen to metal any more than you need to be psychotic to watch Silence Of The Lambs.
Lyrics in Metal aren't particularly important on the whole - pro-tip: don't pay attention to them, the focus is on the instruments not the vocals.
Do you find it difficult because you're a christian?

Thrash is probably the best place to start.

Megadeth:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5jvUXij7nU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGEShf_aCmc

Metallica: (instrumentals)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTgznup5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qrwON1-zE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW3DCs9V-e8

Anthrax:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwi8muAVB2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHsxMqpL0c

None of that too "negative"?

Thanks for the links; will check them out.

I get where you are coming from regarding not having to 'accept everything offered' from metal as a genre of music but, yes, my beliefs do make it difficult for me... it's difficult to explain but I'll try. Yes, I am a Christian and in that sense I do believe that my salvation is not at all dependant on what I do, see or listen to but purely by the grace of God. So in that sense listening to metal is nothing at all BUT at the same time I do feel a sense of 'wrongness' in listening to bands that are generally blatantly against what I see God as being. Not saying here that Christians can't do whatever or trying to judge anyone. Sin is sin and it depends on what you know if that makes sense so if you don't buy into the meanings then good for you but for me personally, I just can't get round the general intentions inherent in mainstream Metal.