RBS 6 Nations - Ireland vs Wales - (05/02/2012 -15:00)

[munstermuffin]

Djjames. If you watched game Ryan didn't have any illegal shot. Bradley Davies retaliated to Ryan hitting the ruck powerfully and legally. And even if it was illegal it's called stupidity to retaliate like that.

And people giving out about the ref are a bit over the top. Barnes was consistent.
Why didn't he send Davies off?
Because he stated he didn't see incident as he was watching the play and acted on recommendation of touch judge.

And lads I've seen it about 20 times now and the Ferris offense gets more blatant every time it was correct call and by law is a yellow card. It was simply put Ireland lost their coolness and discipline at wrong time. We can blame ref as he was good

 

[Rhyer]

The BBC cut short a good debate yesterday. With the theory that modern rugby is about taking young players and trying to bulk them up and make them beasts. Using Scotland as the example there is more focus on the gym than rugby skills. Passing, taking the ball into contact etc.

Wales seem to have the balance of big players with skill. The game needs more than massive ball carrying monsters imo.

I would agree to a certain extent but not everywhere. That doesn't happen in New Zealand, Australia or France.

 

[Stoney21]

i've noticed a couple of people on here mentioning blues players having indicipline with two tip tackles recently. i'm pretty sure Tipiric got banned for a few weeks recently for a tip tackle and as Ian Gough said on Scrum V he also got banned. i'm not saying that it is exceptable. davies should have seen red.

 

[Ozzay]

Well what a game, Wales seemed to want it more, since every time Ireland attacked with intent, they got points, Wales should have had more points in the first half but it's all about taking your chances and FairPlay to Ireland they did that, every time they scored they seemed to drop off though, quite shocked oGara weren't brought on earlier. I thought the ref was fair today, yes Bradley Davies should of seen ref but the linesman indicated it, ferris again was a yellow card, although I can imagine of a lot of Irish fans would be bitter about it.

Halfpenny has to kick next week, he's been kicking consistently for blues. Let's just see how long Bradley gets now then

 

[King_D'Arcy]

What drove me apeshit yesterday was the Irish mindset. The game was really for the taking if they had played it right. From early on it was obvious that Ireland were gonna use a kicking game plan. Murray got the ball at the back of the ruck, would do a garryowen and tommy bowe would chase it and either try to tackle North or try to compete and very rarely win. This resulted in Wales getting posession, launching an attack and often scoring. The only exception to this is the occasional time when Kearney would run up and compete for the ball. As soon as Ireland started throwing the ball around a bit though they started making ground and scoring tries/getting penalties. Despite this they still decided an attacking game, though clearly effective, would not work as well as their flawless kicking game. Morons!

 

[Ozzay]

What you guys think about Rhys Gill?

 

[Feicarsinn]

What drove me apeshit yesterday was the Irish mindset. The game was really for the taking if they had played it right. From early on it was obvious that Ireland were gonna use a kicking game plan. Murray got the ball at the back of the ruck, would do a garryowen and tommy bowe would chase it and either try to tackle North or try to compete and very rarely win. This resulted in Wales getting posession, launching an attack and often scoring. The only exception to this is the occasional time when Kearney would run up and compete for the ball. As soon as Ireland started throwing the ball around a bit though they started making ground and scoring tries/getting penalties. Despite this they still decided an attacking game, though clearly effective, would not work as well as their flawless kicking game. Morons!

Bad tactics were bad.

We essentially played ELV rugby, which doesn't work any more.

 

[Bluemoon]

Not necessarily. Cuthbert simply had to follow Priestland in, as Jonathan Davies said in the studio after. Once one player goes (rightly or wrongly), everyone else has to follow him. If Cuthbert had, he could have taken Bowe out before any damage was done. Of course it's easy to say this with hindsight, but most wingers would have at least attempted to put pressure on Bowe, instead Cuthbert was left in no-man's land, not really able to do anything to stop the try. It's a small mistake, but at international level, small mistakes cost you try's and games.

However I agree with you that it would be a mistake to drop him now. Being replaced at half time because of one defensive lapse was a little harsh I thought, but it worked I suppose. Dropping him altogether for the Scotland match may impact his confidence too much. I don't think he'll be tested as much against Scotland, and he'll get more opportunities with ball in hand. This also means we can keep Halfpenny at fullback where he's best.

I can see both sides of the coin on this one. I think even under pressure Bowe would have offloaded to his outside and there was another support player there to run in. I think it was a team problem that only one player came over to support Priestland and Cuthburt, its just Cuthburt was the last man in a high intensity attack. He could have done a bit better on Bowe I agree, and his inexpeirence/nerves showed there, but Im not sure it would have stopped the try. I agree that it was very harsh to drop him at half time and I fully agree penny is our best fullback right now! I tihnk give him another chance and see if his defence improves with training etc!

 

[Feicarsinn]

Djjames. If you watched game Ryan didn't have any illegal shot. Bradley Davies retaliated to Ryan hitting the ruck powerfully and legally. And even if it was illegal it's called stupidity to retaliate like that.

And people giving out about the ref are a bit over the top. Barnes was consistent.
Why didn't he send Davies off?
Because he stated he didn't see incident as he was watching the play and acted on recommendation of touch judge.

And lads I've seen it about 20 times now and the Ferris offense gets more blatant every time it was correct call and by law is a yellow card. It was simply put Ireland lost their coolness and discipline at wrong time. We can blame ref as he was good

I'd agree with the bulk of that. IMO the Ferris tackle was certainly a penalty and at the very least it was incredibly reckless. Why on Earth would you take such a risk in that position?

 

[munstermuffin]

I think it easy to see here that most of us realise Wales won fairly and we also accept penalty was a pen and simply put Ireland have only themselves to blame.
Poor mentality.
Lack of leadership. And I don't mean just from POC. He was superb but had faults in captaincy roles yesterday but senior players I felt didnt stand up and be counted.
Also lack of trust from management in player by making conservative selections and not having the faith to allow players execute an attacking game plan that not only is being executed at all the provinces but is proving successful for provinces too

 

[TVH11]

Just a question, If an incodent has been dealt with within the game (card of either colour), can any further action be made?? I was under the impression that once a card been given, the punishment of that card is followed - receiving a yellow gives you 10 minutes in the bin to cool off, having a red gives you the rest of the game off the pitch and you run the risk of having a ban in result of your actions. Not denying its a red card offense, because it was a stupid tackle and should have been sent straight off, but I thought there was some sort of silly ruling like the above - could be football though

Also thought Rhys Gill had a solid match, never seen him play before but he seemed good - looking forward to seeing more of him next weekend.

 

[Ozzay]

No, tackles get missed by refs a lot and get cited, a citing officer goes through the game and sees if he thinks anything should be cited which the f has missed basically

 

[Amiga500]

Better team won.

Hard to see where Ireland go from here to be honest - our centres are not big enough, nor are any of the youngsters coming through particularly massive.

It looks like you will need at least 1 16st+ centre to compete with Wales.

James Downey is an option at 12, but is he an option that will be around in 2015?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Just a question, If an incodent has been dealt with within the game (card of either colour), can any further action be made?? I was under the impression that once a card been given, the punishment of that card is followed - receiving a yellow gives you 10 minutes in the bin to cool off, having a red gives you the rest of the game off the pitch and you run the risk of having a ban in result of your actions. Not denying its a red card offense, because it was a stupid tackle and should have been sent straight off, but I thought there was some sort of silly ruling like the above - could be football though

I have a feeling you can be cited regardless.
I know a red card gets you up in front of the board regardless (or at least does in the Premiership), and I have a feeling that if a yellow is given but the incident could be deserving of a red, you can get cited for it.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

I have a feeling you can be cited regardless.
I know a red card gets you up in front of the board regardless (or at least does in the Premiership), and I have a feeling that if a yellow is given but the incident could be deserving of a red, you can get cited for it.

He's been cited according to Gatland.

 

[TVH11]

AHHHHHH Right, I gotcha. Its crazy that players even attempt these "tip tackles" when they know how much of a sensitive issue it is. In Bradley's incident it was stupid and potentially extremely dangerous, dropped the bloke on his neck. But It does seem that sometimes Ref's are being soft - the yellow for ireland that resulted in the kicked penalty (was that really dangerous??? Seemed like a good hard tackle).

Rugby players will be wearing big pads like American football before long!

 

[Peat]

I'd agree with the bulk of that. IMO the Ferris tackle was certainly a penalty and at the very least it was incredibly reckless. Why on Earth would you take such a risk in that position?

You grab hold of what you can get and push. It's a penalty by the letter of the laws and Ferris shouldn't have done it, but those tackles go unpunished the vast majority of the time.

However, something I haven't seen mentioned but which is true, is that Ferris' penalty was slightly irrelevant anyway, as Wales were in the perfect position for a drop goal regardless. How on earth did they march up the pitch like that, even with Barnes not allowing any competition at the rucks?

Finally, just to be pedantic on something MM said - Barnes probably should have asked the touch judge why his description of the incident and recommended sanction didn't match. As described, it's a red. Most of the blame must go to Pearson bottling it, but Barnes should have asked.

 

[jaunard06]

"even with Barnes not allowing any competition at the rucks"

You mean he was way too laxist !

 

[Toby Faletau-Jones]

It's rugby for crying out loud. Ferris' tackle was not a penalty, he sure dumped him but maintained his grip and made sure he went to ground safely. As much as I like Bradderz, his tackle was totally unacceptable, and im extremely relieved that it didn't hurt donnacha (sorry if i spelt it incorrectly). However, despite these, I still feel Wales would have won, and should have considering they had a disallowed try, missed 3/4 kicks ( and I know, it was their own fault).

Anyway Irish fans keep your heads up, and go and kick those frog eating surrender monkeys asses next week please.

 

[Peat]

"even with Barnes not allowing any competition at the rucks"

You mean he was way too laxist !

About what? People were allowed to lie in the way for too long, its true he was lax on that, but there were a ton of times when a player was on their feet competing for the ball and Barnes didn't call for holding on.