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[Rich Taff]

How do I delete posts?

 

[Rich Taff]

Would go with Megatron for best WR currently. (calvin johnson)

Any tips on what other team then the Raiders I should follow?

I've been a Dolphins fan since the 80's, but would also recommend keeping an eye on the Seahawks this year. Have a feeling they could reach the bowl(also, Broncos have a lot more strength this year, with Welker joining up with 18. Could be dark horses)

Oh, and this is the greatest NFL vid

 

[Draggs]

How do I delete posts?

Human sacrifice.

 

[FlukeArtist]

Texans to go all the way to Super Bowl this year.

Great additions to the team in DeAndre Hopkins and Ed Reed.
Plus the established talent on Andre Johnson, Arian Foster, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing etc....

I'm hopeful that's it's going to be a big year for us Texans fans.

 

[admartian]

Texans to go all the way to Super Bowl this year.

Great additions to the team in DeAndre Hopkins and Ed Reed.
Plus the established talent on Andre Johnson, Arian Foster, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing etc....

I'm hopeful that's it's going to be a big year for us Texans fans.

Ed Reed is unsurprisingly hurt again. Hated losing that guy. But all reports from Camp suggests Elam is a handy playmaker.

JJ Watt is just pure beast.

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Percy Harvin*= 1.80 m and 83 kg.

Many backs of rugby could play in that position.

Dan Carter is 1.78 m and 94 kg.

Does that mean I can be an All Blacks fly-half too?

 

[SelimNiai]

Sorry guys but the combo of Payton & Brees + an improved defence means that come Superbowl 48 there'll be a party down Bourbon St.

Who Dat!!

 

[admartian]

Sorry guys but the combo of Payton & Brees + an improved defence means that come Superbowl 48 there'll be a party down Bourbon St.

Who Dat!!

Yes - but Brees also threw a ****ton of picks last year.

 

[Rich Taff]

Sorry guys but the combo of Payton & Brees + an improved defence means that come Superbowl 48 there'll be a party down Bourbon St.

Who Dat!!

Until the coaching staff and D get banned again

 

[Jaguares]

Whats your point?

For height and weight, in Rugby Union we have many players with those characteristics, very fast and strong that could fill that role like: Digby Ioane, Cory Jane, Bryan Habana and others...

 

[SelimNiai]

Yes - but Brees also threw a ****ton of picks last year.

As well as leading the league in passing yards and TDs thrown...again

 

[Jaguares]

I like the stronger not as fast WRs - Andre Johnson from the Texans, ANquan Boldin formerly of the Ravens, Brandon Marshall of the BEars, are all good in my book.

Andre Johnson 1.91 and 104 kg

Brandon Marshall 1.93 and 104 kg

They are similar to Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Folau, Tana Umaga and others...

 

[Rich Taff]

Rightio then people. We have a league set up on the NFL.com Fantasy site.

Based on the amount of guys who post in this thread I have set it for a 10 team league, with an autopick draft that will take place on SEPTEMBER 1ST. Those who want to take part PM me with an email address I can then send the league invite to.

Are you going with 'vanilla' scoring system in it? I'm looking to set one up as well, but with a live draft (it's more fun, though tough to organise with SH players)

Oh, and I'll be setting up another really easy to play league on this site....

http://www.nfluk.com/fantasy-football

(It's the one SKy uses in their coverage)

 

[Jaguares]

Dan Carter is 1.78 m and 94 kg.

Does that mean I can be an All Blacks fly-half too?

Are u Dan Carter? Well it depends on your characteristics. A bodybuilder has muscle but may have no cardiovascular resistance, for example. If you also have those numbers with good speed and stamina, you could play high level rugby unless you're very bad technically.

Rugby players I'm naming have shown speed, endurance and high strength. Remember that american football don't have as many skills as rugby, so many athletes from other sports to football pass and succeed. No need to learn many things as in rugby. They have less obligations, their functions are specific. While in rugby a player has to attack and defend, in american football a player attacking or defending, he doesn't both.

Regards

 

[admartian]

For height and weight, in Rugby Union we have many players with those characteristics, very fast and strong that could fill that role like: Digby Ioane, Cory Jane, Bryan Habana and others...

Andre Johnson 1.91 and 104 kg

Brandon Marshall 1.93 and 104 kg

They are similar to Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Folau, Tana Umaga and others...

Dude what are you getting at? Height/weight comparison is not an issue. There are many rugby players that will convert to the NFL - and vice versa. I don't really get where you're getting at with these "Comparisons".

RE: SBW though - if it weren't for his size, and arm length (which is fairly normal in the NFL) he'd be fairly pedestrian. His "speed" (or lack thereof) doesn't compare very well to some average rugby players, let alone to some of the speed freaks (mind you, I'm only even comparing him to those of similar or BIGGER size) in the NFL.

Heck, would not be surprised if someone like JJ Watt chased him down, let alone some of the faster big men like Jason Pierre-Paul, or Demarcus Ware.

Also, someone like PErrcy Harvin/Randall Cobb will run circles around a guy like Ioane or Jane (thoguh not a younger Habana) specifically. Yes you picked those of similar size, but not of similar athleticism.

As well as leading the league in passing yards and TDs thrown...again

lol was just messing with ya

I agree - I'd say that a lot of those picks were from playing catchup due to that wet-paper defence.

Are u Dan Carter? Well it depends on your characteristics. A bodybuilder has muscle but may have no cardiovascular resistance, for example. If you also have those numbers with good speed and stamina, you could play high level rugby unless you're very bad technically.

Rugby players I'm naming have shown speed, endurance and high strength. Remember that american football don't have as many skills as rugby, so many athletes from other sports to football pass and succeed. No need to learn many things as in rugby. They have less obligations, their functions are specific. While in rugby a player has to attack and defend, in american football a player attacking or defending, he doesn't both.

Regards

Their (NFL players) skills are more specialised individually. Meaning, they are honed very highly, just to a very specific levels and not necessarily all around/multi-faceted (outside of their position of course - someone like Ray Rice, Shady McCoy are very well rounded within their position). That's why they go nuts over a QB like Russell Wilson who can run and pass.

But to say they're of lower skill is a misnomer and HIGHLY underrating their abilities.

 

[donmcdazzle]

Their (NFL players) skills are more specialised individually. Meaning, they are honed very highly, just to a very specific levels and not necessarily all around/multi-faceted (outside of their position of course - someone like Ray Rice, Shady McCoy are very well rounded within their position). That's why they go nuts over a QB like Russell Wilson who can run and pass.

But to say they're of lower skill is a misnomer and HIGHLY underrating their abilities.

I'm not sure I entirely agree.. people can convert pretty easily to NFL so certain positions don't need a lot of skill. Some discus thrower from the UK and Daniel Adongo who would have never even played before just got signed at the highest level so it can't be that skilful (in certain positions). Sure the quarterback has to be pretty good, outside that though it seems like pure athleticism is the only factor.

 

[admartian]

I'm not sure I entirely agree.. people can convert pretty easily to NFL so certain positions don't need a lot of skill. Some discus thrower from the UK and Daniel Adongo who would have never even played before just got signed at the highest level so it can't be that skilful (in certain positions). Sure the quarterback has to be pretty good, outside that though it seems like pure athleticism is the only factor.

Do you know how many players get signed and dumped? Lots. For ever regular starter, there are 500 guys that are rejected.

Yes, the NFL is very enamored in athleticism, but that doesn't necessarily translate (and very rarely does) to regular starting spots. I guess you are mixing being signed for a tryout or the chance to be with the team, with being good/adequate enough to play on a regular basis.

The Adongo signing is a bit of a reach at best - because while athleticism is valued, it is by no means how positions or playing time is judged.

In fact, teams that often draft or sign the ebst athlete over a more technically gfifted one, often don't do well. Look at the Raiders, constantly draft the fastest/strongest players from college - look at where they're at?

 

[FlukeArtist]

Ed Reed is unsurprisingly hurt again. Hated losing that guy. But all reports from Camp suggests Elam is a handy playmaker.

JJ Watt is just pure beast.

He'll be right for the start of season.
I note Foster is on the injurt reserve too, but he'll be there or thereabouts

 

[Jaguares]

Dude what are you getting at? Height/weight comparison is not an issue. There are many rugby players that will convert to the NFL - and vice versa. I don't really get where you're getting at with these "Comparisons".

RE: SBW though - if it weren't for his size, and arm length (which is fairly normal in the NFL) he'd be fairly pedestrian. His "speed" (or lack thereof) doesn't compare very well to some average rugby players, let alone to some of the speed freaks (mind you, I'm only even comparing him to those of similar or BIGGER size) in the NFL.

Heck, would not be surprised if someone like JJ Watt chased him down, let alone some of the faster big men like Jason Pierre-Paul, or Demarcus Ware.

Also, someone like PErrcy Harvin/Randall Cobb will run circles around a guy like Ioane or Jane (thoguh not a younger Habana) specifically. Yes you picked those of similar size, but not of similar athleticism.

JJ Watt, Jason Pierre-Paul and Demarcus Ware are Defensive end, they should compare players of his size as:

Jim Hamilton 2.02 m and 124 kg

Eben Etzebeth 2.02 m and 123 kg

Kane Douglas 2.02 m and 123 kg

Brodie Retallick 2.04 m and 121 kg

Ali Williams 2.02 m and 120 kg

I say that players like Julian Savea or Israel Folau could make american football plays simple as: Run Straight and Run Wide. In those plays don't have to be a good receiver because the quarterback puts the ball in the hand of the runner. It's not that hard to do, and the strength and speed they have those players I named, they could do it without problem. Or you think that american footballers are stronger than rugby players?


regards

 

[admartian]

JJ Watt, Jason Pierre-Paul and Demarcus Ware are Defensive end, they should compare players of his size as:

Jim Hamilton 2.02 m and 124 kg

Eben Etzebeth 2.02 m and 123 kg

Kane Douglas 2.02 m and 123 kg

Brodie Retallick 2.04 m and 121 kg

Ali Williams 2.02 m and 120 kg

I say that players like Julian Savea or Israel Folau could make american football plays simple as: Run Straight and Run Wide. In those plays don't have to be a good receiver because the quarterback puts the ball in the hand of the runner. It's not that hard to do, and the strength and speed they have those players I named, they could do it without problem. Or you think that american footballers are stronger than rugby players?


regards

If I were to compare those players to bigger, less athletic guys you mentioned, then it would be even wrose. I compared SBW to bigger guys, simply to make the comparison easier (for SBW - in terms of speed and athleticism that is).

I think the specific guys you mentioned, Savea, and Folau, would make great NFL players. At the same time though, WR and RB (RB especially so) are amongst the easier positions to translate to. Even then, you have to be aware if your team is running a zone blocking scheme (offensive linemen), know the verbiage that goes with that, know the assignments of your teammates, be able to study the opposing team's defensive front, and play based on what you perceive the defense will be running (based on personnel and tendencies from game tape).

Like any player that transitions to the NFL (whether it's from college or other sports) - no matter how great an athlete you are, it's going to be how well you pick up these schemes. Can Savea/Folau (or anyone in rugby do it? Sure - but you have to have the right mix of athleticism and brains.

I'm sure someone like DC or Conrad can pick any scheme, offensive or defensive (I actually think if Conrad was either faster or bigger - or both) - he'd make an awesome LB or Safety.

To the point - it's not as simple as handing the ball off and running - it can be, and sometimes if you're awesome (like Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders) you can solely rely on that. But not everyone (or most for that matter) will be able to do so.

Regarding strength, in general yes. But I still think that depends on position. BUt largely, yes. Just look at combine stats of bench numbers. While I think there are a number of rugby players that will match or exceed some of those numbers (namely someone like Spies, or the Franks brothers) - for the most part, statistically speaking - the average will be higher in the NFL.

But there's a reason for that. Which is also why it;s a different sport - different needs and different uses for largely similar athletes - it's just the higher end of those more elite athletes, tend to reside in the NFL. I say it's largely due to rugby's relative infancy in professionalism coupled with MASSIVE discrepancy in pay packets (also, having fragmented club leagues and a reliance on even more fragmented national leagues and competition timeframes) "the best of the best" aren't able to play each other more frequently.

But that is another thread.