MMA/UFC thread

[psychic duck]

You're wrong - she submits much bigger (very high level) men in sparring... if she gets a hold of him - he's ****ed.

The only chance he has is to knock her out before she gets a hold of him.

This isn't really about men vs women - it's about fighting vs boxing.
Boxing is a sport - not a style of fighting.

MMA clearly demonstrated in the 90's that people untrained in grappling were powerless against people who are - and they had far bigger physical mismatches than Rousey/Mayweather.

I'd imagine that sparring wasn't 'very high level' men actually competing their hardest against a woman.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

That's rubbish. A trained elite professional male fighter would easily defeat a woman, would have way too much strength.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. She is as elite in her field as he is on his, if not better. Both have approximately the same weight, so the difference in strength ain't that big. Not saying there ain't a difference, just saying it's not as big as you think.
Her technique however is top notch and his (for mma) is non existent. She would destroy him.

MMA has had a learning curve over the years and, as ratsapprentice pointed out, "pure" boxers failed spectacularly against grapplers/judoka/bjj/sambo. 99% of them either they get kicked the living sh.it out of them or get submitted. He does not have the tools to counter that. He doesn't even know what to expect.

I would give him chance, a small chance, if he was a heavy hitter. Lucky shot, etc. He clearly ain't.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I'd imagine that sparring wasn't 'very high level' men actually competing their hardest against a woman.

Please... I'm not suggesting she'd beat male UFC fighters.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2kpZ3e0S-c

Rockhold is a good 15-20kg heavier than Floyd and ya'know... knows what the **** he's doing.
Mayweather has absolutely no training or experience of grappling - he'd be absolutely ****ed.

I would give him chance, a small chance, if he was a heavy hitter. Lucky shot, etc. He clearly ain't.

Exactly.

Mike Tyson would knock her the **** out, not Floyd.

 

[psychic duck]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. She is as elite in her field as he is on his, if not better. Both have approximately the same weight, so the difference in strength ain't that big. Not saying there ain't a difference, just saying it's not as big as you think.
Her technique however is top notch and his (for mma) is non existent. She would destroy him.

MMA has had a learning curve over the years and, as ratsapprentice pointed out, "pure" boxers failed spectacularly against grapplers/judoka/bjj/sambo. 99% of them either they get kicked the living sh.it out of them or get submitted. He does not have the tools to counter that. He doesn't even know what to expect.

I would give him chance, a small chance, if he was a heavy hitter. Lucky shot, etc. He clearly ain't.

But not against women though. Who wouldn't be able to take the same shots you see in boxing, and would make him look a heavier hitter.

 

[james5000]

You're wrong - she submits much bigger (very high level) men in sparring... if she gets a hold of him - he's ****ed.

The only chance he has is to knock her out before she gets a hold of him.

This isn't really about men vs women - it's about fighting vs boxing.
Boxing is a sport - not a style of fighting.

MMA clearly demonstrated in the 90's that people untrained in grappling were powerless against people who are - and they had far bigger physical mismatches than Rousey/Mayweather.

Rousey vs Mayweather is man vs woman though isn't it? Unless his real name is Ron deRousey?

You clearly know nothing about Floyd Mayweather he is not just incredibly skilled he is also one of the best athletes you will ever see. His hand speed and coordination is basically unmatched.

The bloke can bang like the best of them he hits very hard p4p watch his earlier fights against the likes of Gatti and Coralles. He has reinvented himself to become a safety first fighter which has made him harder to beat but also dropped his ko rating.

I don't know how you have come to the conclusion a boxer isn't a fighter but they definitely are.

90s mma had which top boxers fighting? Not a single one of the whole lot of them had the athletic ability of Floyd.

Ron will get hit harder than he ever has in his life if Floyd punched him. It's definitely debatable as to whether he could take Floyd down even in the clinch. Ron as a tiny man with far less strength than Floyd.

 

[nickdnz]

I love Boxing. It is a better spectacle in my opinion. But generally you would have to rate a MMA fighter in an 'MMA' fight.

Real boxers have landed a great KO punch to an MMA fighter looking for the takedown. Ray Mercer landed his punch against Tim Sylvia.

But my in large how many Floyd Mayweather fights results in no clinches? Because when you grab someone in MMA the ref doesn't break it up - the guy grabbing you looks to get you to the ground.

There are some amazing athletes in boxing. And many boxers could excel in MMA with training (in my opinion a much higher percentage than MMA fighters who make the transition over) - but there is simply much less restrictions in MMA that it would take a lot of time to adjust. Guys like Vitali Klitschko who are also world champion kicker boxers would probably find the transition fairly easy.

I think Ronda may well beat Floyd (and I'd pay money to see it) in a fight, as Floyd would literally be looking for the early KO (and with the lightly padded MMA gloves it wouldn't take a big punch...). Ronda would just have to grab him and you'd have to back her to submit him.

 

[james5000]

Are you guys serious or are you trolling?

In physical or athletic type competition's particularly where strength and speed are paramount women are comparable (or actually probably a little bit behind) to 15 year old boys.

Look at athletics all the boys 15yo world records are better than the women's world records (apart from long distance running where children are discouraged from competing and experience is necessary)

Why would mma be any different? Jacko gill would have beaten the women's shotput record by over 1m @ 14yo. Usain Bolts 15yo 200m pb was 1 second better than the women's world record!

Floyd is a boxing specialist it is true but he is top notch at it and he's a physical beast. Punching is the most common move performed in mma and Floyd is brilliant at it.

* The All blacks vs NFL team analogy is weak because they are too physically comparable. A better analogy would be All Blacks (floyd) vs Women's league world champion team (Ronda) at league. Who do you think would win that?

*The swimming analogy was just as weak. Mma is fought in a ring or octagon which is basically the same as boxing. Octagon being slightly different because of the cage but doesn't make a huge difference. They both start with competitor's standing upright which is to Floyds advantage. So Floyd gets the first crack anyway not Ronda.

Nick floyd always dominates the clinch in boxing he is a very strong man p4p and he is bigger than Ronda.
It wouldn't surprise me if he threw her to the ground. He wouldn't have to though because he is too quick and has such a massive reach advantage and pin point punching.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Are you guys serious or are you trolling?

In physical or athletic type competition's particularly where strength and speed are paramount women are comparable (or actually probably a little bit behind) to 15 year old boys.

Look at athletics all the boys 15yo world records are better than the women's world records (apart from long distance running where children are discouraged from competing and experience is necessary)

Why would mma be any different? Jacko gill would have beaten the women's shotput record by over 1m @ 14yo. Usain Bolts 15yo 200m pb was 1 second better than the women's world record!

Floyd is a boxing specialist it is true but he is top notch at it and he's a physical beast. Punching is the most common move performed in mma and Floyd is brilliant at it.

* The All blacks vs NFL team analogy is weak because they are too physically comparable. A better analogy would be All Blacks (floyd) vs Women's league world champion team (Ronda) at league. Who do you think would win that?

*The swimming analogy was just as weak. Mma is fought in a ring or octagon which is basically the same as boxing. Octagon being slightly different because of the cage but doesn't make a huge difference. They both start with competitor's standing upright which is to Floyds advantage. So Floyd gets the first crack anyway not Ronda.

Nick floyd always dominates the clinch in boxing he is a very strong man p4p and he is bigger than Ronda.
It wouldn't surprise me if he threw her to the ground. He wouldn't have to though because he is too quick and has such a massive reach advantage and pin point punching.

I swear to god you went full potato here.

The difference between league and union is nothing like the difference between MMA and boxing.

Punching isn't the most common used move by the top MMA it depends on there style and game plan.

Lol he is like a inch taller and 8kg heavier.

You have no idea about MMA now if you think a mayweather could beat a rousey type.

Rousey has a inch more reach advantage than pacman had.

Floyd dominates the fights because of his amazing defence, which is pointless in a MMA as no one goes for straight punches.

Never go full potato.

 

[james5000]

I swear to god you went full potato here.

The difference between league and union is nothing like the difference between MMA and boxing.

Punching isn't the most common used move by the top MMA it depends on there style and game plan.

Lol he is like a inch taller and 8kg heavier.

You have no idea about MMA now if you think a mayweather could beat a rousey type.

Rousey has a inch more reach advantage than pacman had.

Floyd dominates the fights because of his amazing defence, which is pointless in a MMA as no one goes for straight punches.

Never go full potato.

Please tell me what is the most commonly used move in mma. Even Ronda throws more punches than anything else. Seriously it's pretty obvious or are you a bit slow?

Ronda is not half the athlete that floyd is, do you not understand? If she was a man she wouldn't crack the top 100 in the 135lbs division. Floyd is just too good at what he does he would adapt.

Do you realise why pac man etc had such low punch out put against floyd? It ain't because of his defence. If it was solely defence they would still throw punches. They didn't like getting hit and neither would Ronda she would be scared as hell against floyd.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Rousey would keep him honest/at distance with kicks then take him down and have him tapping in the first round.
How's Floyd defending a take down/throw? He's not.
If he lands a clean shot she'd almost defensively be KOd in an instant, but, weirdly, MMA fighters do practise not being punched in the face. Boxers don't learn how to deal with kicks knees elbows clinches take downs etc.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Rousey would keep him honest/at distance with kicks then take him down and have him tapping in the first round.
How's Floyd defending a take down/throw? He's not.
If he lands a clean shot she'd almost defensively be KOd in an instant, but, weirdly, MMA fighters do practise not being punched in the face. Boxers don't learn how to deal with kicks knees elbows clinches take downs etc.

Precisely - I don't even really consider it debatable.

She either gets knocked out trying to clinch - or he gets his limbs snapped/choked out.

MMA's entire purpose was essentially to answer this exact question - it did, if a grappler gets hold of someone untrained in any form of grappling then the non-grappler is ****ed - regardless of even massive size/strength disparities.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

*The swimming analogy was just as weak. Mma is fought in a ring or octagon which is basically the same as boxing. Octagon being slightly different because of the cage but doesn't make a huge difference. They both start with competitor's standing upright which is to Floyds advantage. So Floyd gets the first crack anyway not Ronda.

Like duck, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Have you seen 10-20 high caliber mma fights? When they use terms like "knee-bar" or "foot lock", do you understand what they are talking about?

The swimming analogy is sound because, just as someone who doesn't know how to swim would panic and drown in the water, Floyd would panic and get submitted (easily) once he gets thrown to the ground.

Just for the record, I am talking about getting both of them right now into the ring.

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I mostly agree.

She either gets knocked out trying to clinch - or he gets his limbs snapped/choked out.

That is a chance (clinching) she doesn't even have to take. She could go for a tackle (single or double) and in doing so reduce (a LOT) the chances of being knocked out.
Even if he lands on top, he is done. It'd take her 2 minutes more, that's it.

 

[TheSaffycen]

How is this a debate ? Floyd wouldn't win, unless Rousey was incredibly stupid and tried to box him. He wins a boxing match, she wins MMA it's really very simple.
Him being 8kg heavier and an inch taller doesn't mean anything in BJJ, even in Judo sizes like that can be overturned.
Here is the example- Royce Gracie was 80kg and 6ft. He beat Dan Severn who was 113kg, 6ft2 and a wrestler. He was miles smaller but because he was taken out of his comfort zone and it doesn't matter how much more of a physical specimen you may be, if you don't know what you're doing you're ****ed. End of. Gracie 80 pounds lighter 15 minutes on the bottom of a fight and he won, easily.

 

[Jaguares]

Boxing isn't real, it's a very limited fight. If you put two boxers fight in the street, the fight will be very different from a fight in the ring. On the street you can't hug your opponent and wait for the referee separates them. That's the difference with the MMA, it's much closer to reality so the fight is almost a street fight. If you beat your opponent in a MMA fight then is probably also may overcome in a street fight but boxing is very different from a real fight. If a professional boxer s facing a professional rugby player on the street, no rules, the rugby player can easily throw it to the floor with his technique of tackle. Then on the floor the story is very different, the boxer hits aren't as painful blows on the floor because you can't hit with the full force of your body.

In other words. In a street fight, no rules, including a professional boxer and a professional rugby player. The rugby player has a big opportunity, the rugby tackle is a HUGE advantage for him. But in a street fight against a MMA fighter the tackle isn't an advantage because the MMA fighters are used to it, so the rugby player hasn't a chance against a MMA fighter

 

[kesh]

WWE (WWF) > MMA. Watching two men spoon each other for five rounds tends to get boring.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Professional wrestling has gone down the toilet... It's literally made for kids now.
It hasn't been worth watching for nigh on 15 years.
It's also not a sport.

 

[kesh]

You'll be saying it's fake next. Must admit it's not the same as the days of Papa Shango and the Ultimate Warrior. Ok Boxing > MMA.

On Floyd, given his ability as a fighter with a 50%> knock-out KO's and his natural defensive instincts, could see him transitioning into a more kick boxing take down defence against Ronda (Chuck Liddell, say) given he'll hit harder then she's used to. Depends on how he has to prepare for the fight.

 

[james5000]

Rousey would keep him honest/at distance with kicks then take him down and have him tapping in the first round.
How's Floyd defending a take down/throw? He's not.
If he lands a clean shot she'd almost defensively be KOd in an instant, but, weirdly, MMA fighters do practise not being punched in the face. Boxers don't learn how to deal with kicks knees elbows clinches take downs etc.

She has a massive hurdle to jump if she wants to clinch floyd and take him down. She is not exactly a world class kickboxer either. Kicking is far more predictable then punching is as well.

Firstly he has amazing footwork he is also very explosive, she would have to get near him first and then she has to grab hold of him as well. Ronda gets tagged in every fight but her comp only started training mma for fitness 5 or so years ago lol (Bethe Correia), so they don't have punching technique down yet. It ain't a matter of if Floyd will tag her its a matter of how long it will take her to wake up.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

It would never happen in amillion years for 50 million $.

Mayweather would be in a lose lose situation.

 

[james5000]

Precisely - I don't even really consider it debatable.

She either gets knocked out trying to clinch - or he gets his limbs snapped/choked out.

MMA's entire purpose was essentially to answer this exact question - it did, if a grappler gets hold of someone untrained in any form of grappling then the non-grappler is ****ed - regardless of even massive size/strength disparities.

Its obvious those are the only 2 predictable results its not like floyds going to try take her down and arm bar her. And she would be dumber than her delusional fan boys if she tried to win in the stand up.

She is not just facing size and strength but a massive speed, cardio, exposiveness and gigantic punching power difference.

I have seen many great grapplers beaten to a pulp in MMA by strikers so that aint true and 1990's mma was putting the worlds best bjj fighters vs pub fighthers ans sideshow freaks it didn't prove anything of course they should win.

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It would never happen in amillion years for 50 million $.

Mayweather would be in a lose lose situation.

Obviously thats why its such a huge topic on mma websites just a bit of publicity for the sport which it needs because its going down hill since 3 or so years ago

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Boxing isn't real, it's a very limited fight. If you put two boxers fight in the street, the fight will be very different from a fight in the ring. On the street you can't hug your opponent and wait for the referee separates them. That's the difference with the MMA, it's much closer to reality so the fight is almost a street fight. If you beat your opponent in a MMA fight then is probably also may overcome in a street fight but boxing is very different from a real fight. If a professional boxer s facing a professional rugby player on the street, no rules, the rugby player can easily throw it to the floor with his technique of tackle. Then on the floor the story is very different, the boxer hits aren't as painful blows on the floor because you can't hit with the full force of your body.

In other words. In a street fight, no rules, including a professional boxer and a professional rugby player. The rugby player has a big opportunity, the rugby tackle is a HUGE advantage for him. But in a street fight against a MMA fighter the tackle isn't an advantage because the MMA fighters are used to it, so the rugby player hasn't a chance against a MMA fighter

Boxing is real alright it is just bit more of gentleman's sport.

Street fighting is for cowards and favours the sneaky and dirtiest of people.

Floyd would probably be quite good, apart from being a bit of a midget.