MMA/UFC thread

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

His come back to this kids you might remember me from Twitter is just brilliant

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkJk45X4Y3s[/video]

I am a massive fan of the Simpsons which helps.

 

[Larksea]

Lesnar was something completely different, before he was an WWE star he was one of the most dominant wrestlers ever with a ridiculous armature wrestling record and he's physically extremely powerful. HE came into the UFC with ***le aspirations right off the bat and fought the best almost straight away. CM punk really doesn't have any real combat sport competitive experience or pedigree. He's a past his prime WWE superstar who loves MMA and has been taking BJJ lessons for a while. Where Brock had a physical advantage over anyone in the UFC when he arrived, CM will be at a disadvantage physically to anyone in the top 10-15 for hi weight class (185lbs maybe?) He's not going to come in and challenge top 15 guys. The expectation is much lower, but he's been training well and got to the point where he's past sparing and hes doing full contact pretty much fighting and holding his own. He will probably make his debut against a non UFC fighter, a journeyman, something like that.

 

[TheSaffycen]

Lesnar was fighting in a much weaker division, he also got found out towards the end.
Cm Punk is a technically sound BJJ black belt right ? I think he trained with the Gracies right ?

 

[ratsapprentice]

CM punk also wrestled in a ****ty era.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

His come back to this kids you might remember me from Twitter is just brilliant

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkJk45X4Y3s[/video]

I am a massive fan of the Simpsons which helps.

"You might remember me from twitter"
"No"


:lol:

 

[james5000]

I was once a big fan of MMA but the more it has developed and the increasingly wrestling dominated it has become has really put me off.

Ffs a takedown and then just laying on someone shouldn't win a round. They need to change the scoring system. I hate how damage from the bottom is scored less than top control.

I also think its a bit annoying how mma fans believe that mma fighters would just light up top boxers even lower ranked guys. Just not true. Some ****wits think Ronda Rousey would beat on Floyd, are you kidding me? Tim Bradley for example . Has a granite chin, great defensive capability. Strong as an ox as well as low centre of gravity. Has a wrestling background as well.

Mma fighters will never earn the coin boxers make as long as the UFC is running the show. Dana White and his buddies are creaming it.

Its untrue that the lower ranked Mma fighters earn more than their boxing counter parts. Some get like 2k per fight in the ufc. Any boxer in the top 50 of their division gets more than that. A lot more.

I can name a ton of fighters that have been paid in the millions in boxing for a single fight there would be less than 5 mma fighters that would have ever happened for. Maybe brock lesnar and gsp? Fedor did get offered 30 mill for 6 fights apparently (probably bs) but didn't sign the contract.

Floyd
Pacman
Klitschko
Cotto
Canelo
Froch
Groves
Jmm
Bradley
Ggg
Bhop
Tarver
Kovalev
Ward
Stevenson
Wilder
Green
Mundine
Jacobs
Lara
Khan
Brook
Alex ****ing Leapai earned a couple mill fighting Klitschko

Anyone that fights the big names usually earns coin to match.

I remember seeing an Article where Mark Hunt was headlining ppv or maybe events for 8k + bonuses per fight lol. How pathetic, when you consider what a training camp costs he could have lost money. Lucky for him he would have got decent sponsorship given his popularity.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I also think its a bit annoying how mma fans believe that mma fighters would just light up top boxers even lower ranked guys. Just not true. Some ****wits think Ronda Rousey would beat on Floyd, are you kidding me?

It is true. Just look at the history of the UFC (or vale tudo earlier): at the beginning 99% of the fighters were proficient at one style and one style only, and there was a clear dominance from people who knew how to fight from the ground (judo, bbj, wrestlers, sambo, etc.). This happened not just once but a plethora of times.

The lesson was, simply put, it is easier, way easier, to get closer to a person (taking minor damage) than to keep someone away from you.

If today Ronda Rousey and Floyd would meed in a ring with no rules, as much as i hate to admit it, Floyd would lose. He would be able to dodge and counter any punch she might through, but nothing he could do against a tackle. Once the fight goes to the ground it's a no brainer.
Any top 10 UFC fighter from his weight class would take Floyd in less than 5 minutes. It's not that he is an imbecile or something, it's just that he wouldnt know how to defend against a takedown and would be lost on the ground.

I can name a ton of fighters that have been paid in the millions in boxing for a single fight there would be less than 5 mma fighters that would have ever happened for.

Popularity and effectiveness ain't the same thing.

Don't look at the sheer numbers, look at the growth of the sport over the last 10 years and compare mma to boxing.

 

[james5000]

I am sorry but no Ronda Rousey has absolutely no chance of beating floyd in MMA or boxing.

It is just ridiculous to suggest she could.
No doubt she is an amazing female athlete but Floyd is just a far superior athlete.

Floyd has all the physical advantages. Height, reach, weight, speed, strength, power, stamina, coordination.

He fights on a unbelievably higher level than Rousey has ever fought against far better calibre athletes. Rousey fights woman that have only been training mma for a couple of years of course she is going to look great. She won't even fight cyborg at 145 how the hell is she going to fight floyd at 147? Floyd is not ever fighting lighter than that.

Maybe floyd as a 38 yo wouldn't crack top 10 in the mens 155 division but there are boxers that could. Conor McGregor comes from a boxing background and hes doing well.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I think it's crazy that people even entertain the idea that Floyd would stand a chance against her in MMA, or that Rousey would stand a chance against him in boxing.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I think it's crazy that people even entertain the idea that Floyd would stand a chance against her in MMA, or that Rousey would stand a chance against him in boxing.

Agreed, Floyd might have edge in terms of physicality, but in a MMA fight he wont have any of the technique outside of the boxing IF Rousey came out him with a punching mentality then yeh he prob would win but if she did anything else he wouldn't.

Vice versa Rousey has none of the boxing technique Money has and wont have the firepower in her punches to beat him.

It's like saying that the all blacks could beat the Patriots in american football and the Patriots could beat the all blacks at rugby.

Mind you i can't believe Rousey is having a biopic at the age of 28! cant stand stuff like that.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Yeah - unless Floyd somehow managed to deliver a one-punch KO before she gets a hold of him then he'd be ****ed. If we're talking about a one-on-one bar fight then he'd be even more ****ed - you've just given a Judoka handles with which to throw you around.

In fact - you could say the same for pretty much any style of MA fighter that isn't significantly smaller than floyd - Boxing is so far removed from real fighting - it's a highly codified sport.

**** changes when you're dealing with one-punch KO guys though

 

[TRF_Olyy]

People always seem to neglect kicking when talking about it too. He's standing there in his boxing guard while the MMA fighter is kicking the **** out of his legs/lower body - that's gonna take a toll.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Especially for a 60/70kg boxer - his legs would be very easy to whip from under him, and not conditioned for the sort of punishment they would receive if he braced them.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Tyson in his prime is the only Boxer I think could have handled the top UFC fighters at that time.

Mainly because UFC was still in its infancy around then and Tyson is just a beast.

 

[munstermuffin]

Will never happen lads. Floyd has beaten many women in past and will prefer to keep his unbeaten record against them too than face a challenging opponent

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Floyd has all the physical advantages. Height, reach, weight, speed, strength, power, stamina, coordination.

That is what nearly all people said before UFC 1, UFC 2 and UFC 4 (Gracie withdrew from UFC 2). Gracie was shorter, skinnier, lighter, etc etc. He did know how to fight on the ground thou.

Just for you to grasp the concept: He won ALL of the fights from those 3 championships via submission. Boxers, kick-boxers, and several other martial arts practitioners didn't even know what a submission was.

Conor McGregor comes from a boxing background and hes doing well.

He's been doing mma for a long time. Look at his first fghts (already in mma). He lost 2 of his first fights precisely via submission.

I am thinking of an example that can illustrate the difference there is between Ronda and Floyd in a no rules fight: it's be like if they are both dumped on a pool with Floyd having no idea how to swim. He might be stronger, taller, faster, have more stamina and coordination, but that is useless if you can't swim.

 

[psychic duck]

I am thinking of an example that can illustrate the difference there is between Ronda and Floyd in a no rules fight: it's be like if they are both dumped on a pool with Floyd having no idea how to swim. He might be stronger, taller, faster, have more stamina and coordination, but that is useless if you can't swim.

That's rubbish. A trained elite professional male fighter would easily defeat a woman, would have way too much strength.

 

[ratsapprentice]

That's rubbish. A trained elite professional male fighter would easily defeat a woman, would have way too much strength.

He's a trained boxer - not fighter.

The physiological advantage a man has over a woman is undeniably gargantuan - a man completely untrained in any form of grappling/sumbission would have to rely on being significantly bigger than Ronda.
Mayweather is neither significantly bigger than Ronda or trained to any degree in grappling or submission - barring him knocking her out in one punch as she closed in on him, he would either have his arm broken or be choked out.

The 90's era of UFC/MMA demonstrated this very, very clearly.

 

[psychic duck]

He's a trained boxer - not fighter.

The physiological advantage a man has over a woman is undeniably gargantuan - a man completely untrained in any form of grappling/sumbission would have to rely on being significantly bigger than Ronda.
Mayweather is neither significantly bigger than Ronda or trained to any degree in grappling or submission - barring him knocking her out in one punch as she closed in on him, he would either have his arm broken or be choked out.

The 90's era of UFC/MMA demonstrated this very, very clearly.

No, because he would also have a load more power behind him in his favour. A woman would be highly unlikely to be able to take his shots, or hold them down without him being able to power out.

 

[ratsapprentice]

You're wrong - she submits much bigger (very high level) men in sparring... if she gets a hold of him - he's ****ed.

The only chance he has is to knock her out before she gets a hold of him.

This isn't really about men vs women - it's about fighting vs boxing.
Boxing is a sport - not a style of fighting.

MMA clearly demonstrated in the 90's that people untrained in grappling were powerless against people who are - and they had far bigger physical mismatches than Rousey/Mayweather.