Italy v New Zealand - 23/11/2024 (20.10)

[AlRums]

So do the best teams get a free ride or do the best teams get themselves in position to get favourable calls?

@TRF_Olyy do we start a ref chat and ban small ref chat in these threads because match threads are getting chronic?....

They generally get the rub if the green, although in T1/T2 the teams are definitely reffed differently.

The RWC really exposed that.

 

[OllyM97]

So do the best teams get a free ride or do the best teams get themselves in position to get favourable calls?

@TRF_Olyy do we start a ref chat and ban small ref chat in these threads because match threads are getting chronic?....

That call tonight was obvious though - how many penalties do you have to give away 5 metres from your line to get a PT given against you?. New Zealand are professional cheats - they've been the same for years. Fed up of watching it time after time.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So do the best teams get a free ride or do the best teams get themselves in position to get favourable calls?

@TRF_Olyy do we start a ref chat and ban small ref chat in these threads because match threads are getting chronic?....

Feel like it's mostly people with an axe to grind, rather than general chat overwhelming everything

There was nothing wrong with the reffing of todays game, anyone claiming bias came into it wanting to see it

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

There was nothing wrong with the reffing of todays game, anyone claiming bias came into it wanting to see it

Fair fair and I agree. Just boring as though.

Rare that refs are rarely so bad that they affect anything.

That call tonight was obvious though - how many penalties do you have to give away 5 metres from your line to get a PT given against you?. New Zealand are professional cheats - they've been the same for years. Fed up of watching it time after time.

PT's are for incidents stopping a guaranteed tey these days. Multiple penos are when cards are / should be dished.

 

[Which Tyler]

New Zealand are professional cheats

All rugby players are cheats.
All professional rugby players are professional cheats.
If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Cheating is the oldest, and generally the most cherished tradition of our sport.

Hell, the sport was invented by some stroppy posh kid cheating at football!

 

[Umaga's Witness]

claasic tj taking the opportunity to make a political statement at the start if the haka, in his last game. well played

 

[Derpus]

That call tonight was obvious though - how many penalties do you have to give away 5 metres from your line to get a PT given against you?. New Zealand are professional cheats - they've been the same for years. Fed up of watching it time after time.

Oh my sweet summer child. You know nothing of AB bullshittery induced pain.

 

[Derpus]

So do the best teams get a free ride or do the best teams get themselves in position to get favourable calls?

@TRF_Olyy do we start a ref chat and ban small ref chat in these threads because match threads are getting chronic?....

Yes

 

[OllyM97]

Am I the only one that now finds the Haka a complete joke?. I used to love it years ago but now it's been commercialised to within an inch of it's life and I find the whole "theatre" around it just boring. Italy and France doing light shows for it is just embarrassing. Get on with the game and stop wasting everyone's time. Why World Rugby are so deferential to it I have absolutely no idea - bin it off.

 

[Derpus]

Am I the only one that now finds the Haka a complete joke?. I used to love it years ago but now it's been commercialised to within an inch of it's life and I find the whole "theatre" around it just boring. Italy and France doing light shows for it is just embarrassing. Get on with the game and stop wasting everyone's time. Why opposing teams are so deferential to it I have absolutely no idea - bin it off.

So, on the one hand I think it is a clear advantage. It's literally a warcry - they used to use those in war for a reason.

On the other hand, its a very successful example of indigenous cultural history being recognised, respected and incorporated into a largely western culture - something my own country is absolutely garbage at. On that front I can't help but respect it - even if it has been commercialised/overdone a bit. I think this is more important than any advtange they might gain from it in a sporting sense.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

So, on the one hand I think it is a clear advantage. It's literally a warcry - they used to use those in war for a reason.

On the other hand, its a very successful example of indigenous cultural history being recognised, respected and incorporated into a largely western culture - something my own country is absolutely garbage at. On that front I can't help but respect it - even if it has been commercialised/overdone a bit.

Reckon it should be a Wales roof situation. Both teams agree or bin it.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Reckon it should be a Wales roof situation. Both teams agree or bin it.

IMO it should be a home game only thing, but could agree with the above (not that anyone would ever say no)

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

IMO it should be a home game only thing, but could agree with the above (not that anyone would ever say no)

Yeah fair, one thing I'd say is none of it st a World Cup.

Ridiculous that a team should alter their highly specialised prep for a game against NZ or the island teams.

Will never happen though. Too much of a gimmick for World Rugby not to flaunt.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

So do the best teams get a free ride or do the best teams get themselves in position to get favourable calls?

@TRF_Olyy do we start a ref chat and ban small ref chat in these threads because match threads are getting chronic?....

1. Teams that possess the ball will get calls going their way

2. Weaker times are slower to breakdown so they'll giveaway more penalties/the defending team will have more leeway on slowing the ball down

3. I enjoy the conspiracy theories we get in every thread

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

1. Teams that possess the ball will get calls going their way

2. Weaker times are slower to breakdown so they'll giveaway more penalties/the defending team will have more leeway on slowing the ball down

3. I enjoy the conspiracy theories we get in every thread

Point 3 is where we differ friend. God forbid we think refs are mostly good at what they do (Dupont boost aside ofc!).

 

[ntun82]

Torino hosted the game wonderfully

Tourists from everywhere for the AB actually enjoyed my lovely city

And the game was cool too.

Italy shirt was superb and so menoncello's try.

Viva il rugby.

 

[AlRums]

Torino hosted the game wonderfully

Tourists from everywhere for the AB actually enjoyed my lovely city

And the game was cool too.

Italy shirt was superb and so menoncello's try.

Viva il rugby.

I loved Turin when I visited, even though some git nicked my phone.

 

[Yulia]

Am I the only one that now finds the Haka a complete joke?.

I love Haka

 

[Alex Anghel]

Pretty messy game for the ABs, but somehow understandable, as being the last of a grueling long year.

Overall, a mixed first year for Razor, whose mindset favored a more conservative approach in selection, probably due to the fear of not losing too many games on a very tough, opponent wise, calendar.

The first row unit has now a great depth, but what about the second row? Is Scott Barrett the answer as NZ's captain? Is him or Va'ai the undisputed starters or Razor should try bringing in more imposing players, weight and height wise?

With the departure of Sam Cane, I believe the loose trio could sort itself out, by playing Savea at 7 and Sititi at 8. But who's going to get his hands on the 6 jersey? Is Finau the answer or should they try finding an enforcer in the mold of Kaino, if any?

The scrum half position is well covered for the future, but what about 10? Is Mo'unga the answer when he gets back from Japan, or should Razor start blooding other (younger) players in?

The midfield still looks like it hasn't been sorted out since Nonu and Smith retired, so what combo would do best? Should Ioane stay at centre or move to the wing? Is Jordie good enough to start at 12?

The outside backs, in the Clarke/Jordan/Te'lea formula, look menacing enough, but could there be other options as well?

Would love to hear what the Kiwis say about all this .