Ireland vs England

[ckell]

Nice of you to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Teh Mite]

We have sufferedfffered the Welsh, Saffa, Irish and Kiwi kids over the past few years. Makes a change for the celts to get annoyed!

 

[Peat]

if england dont walk this i would be hugely suprised

ireland just havnt turned up this year combined with a few odd calls by kidney and i personally think we cant deny england

i think its the physicality of scotland that slowed down england something our forwards probaly wont replicate

but who knows c'mon the men in green!

Prepare to be surprised.

England are still too callow and raw to walk pressure games. This will - or should be - Ireland's game of the tournament. If Ireland's forwards aren't pumped up, hyper-aggressive wrecking machines for this, something is deeply wrong.

I am beginning to think we'll win it, as Ireland won't get over their discipline problems in time and something seems to be very wrong in the Ireland camp, but I still in general have a fear of this game.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If Ireland's forwards aren't pumped up, hyper-aggressive wrecking machines for this, something is deeply wrong.

Hopefully - they give away enough penalties as it is, if they're all seeing red for 80mins it's just going to give us more 3pointers/touch finders

 

[No Soft Centres]

England team We Will Probably See Vs England Team I/We Would Like to See

1. Corbs .................................................. 1.Corbs
2. Hartley................................................. 2. Tommo
3. Cole..................................................... 3. PDJ (unless cole can sort his scrum out)
4. Palmer ................................................. 4. Palmer
5. Deacon ................................................ 5. Lawes
6. Croft ....................................................6. Croft
7. Le Hask ................................................7.Wood
8. Easter ..................................................8. Le Hask
9. Youngs .................................................9. Youngs [Benefit of Doubt from last game]
10. Flood ................................................. 10. Flood ["-----------------------------"]
11. Cueto ................................................ 11. Cueto (needs a better game though)
12. Hape ................................................. 12. Flutey
13. Tindall ............................................... 13. M Tuilagi
14. Ashton .............................................. 14. Ashton (needs to pull his finger out)
15. Foden ................................................ 15. Foden

16. PDJ ................................................... 16. Cole/PDJ
17. Tommo .............................................. 17. Hartley
18. Lawes ................................................18. Deacon
19. Wood ................................................ 19. Easter
20. Care .................................................. 20. Care [To come on early if needed]
21. Wilko ................................................. 21.Wilko ["-------------------------"]
22. HMS .................................................. 22.HMS

I think Flutey and Tuilagi provides a good balence at 12/13 probably wont happen, You probably dont agree, or rate flutey like I do but i think that partnership could work. Would like to see it before the WC anyway

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I'm actually a big fan of Flutey, and would really like to see him in there over Hape - He's not being used because when he was playing for England it was during the whole aerial ping-pong era and he didn't look great - He looked good on the Lions tour and looks good for Wasps, should be given another chance now that we're actually playing rugby, imo

 

[No Soft Centres]

I'm actually a big fan of Flutey, and would really like to see him in there over Hape - He's not being used because when he was playing for England it was during the whole aerial ping-pong era and he didn't look great - He looked good on the Lions tour and looks good for Wasps, should be given another chance now that we're actually playing rugby, imo

Wow theres two of us.

Couldnt agree with you more mate.

 

[Logorrhea]

Have no real thought on the irish team. O'Sullivan will pick O'Leary and Sexton again but i dont see him making any other changes. I've given up hoping.

As for England, they have struggled whenever a pack has matched them up front. Dont think Croft will make any difference for them (no one hates him over here, just dont think hes much good really) but Lawes and Thompson could, would much prefer to see Deacon and Hartley in there. Regardless, I still think ireland will do enough to make it another miserable game and run in a few simple enough scores.

 

[King_D'Arcy]

yeaaahman, got a problem with thaaaat

You ruddy rapscallion!!

 

[coonor]

This game is for England's to lose. I expect Ireland to be physical and play with more ball in hand but I don't think they will have as much structure to the game. If England choke and panic I'm sure Ireland can pounce and win but if England turn up I think they will control the game and win quite comfortably. I for one think Croft is brilliant a battle between him and Ferris would have been brilliant. England should win the set piece but I think Ireland will dominate the breakdown but give penalties away.

 

[durbutter]

You ruddy rapscallion!!

Ruddy rapscallion!? Are you polishing up your English for the queens visit?

 

[no-1-rugby-fan]

England will win this one. They didn't play well against Scotland but have overall looked by far the best team in this year's Six Nations, not going to be easy at Ireland but they've been a real disappointment this year!

 

[GreenyBoii]

If Tindall is injured then we should definitely play Banahan as he played well against Scotland and also after we all moaned about him (myself included) Hape had a decent game aswell, and Tindall was alright, so the question is when will Moody be fit, and when he is will Tindall even kepp his place in the team, the only reason I think MJ doesn't start Banahan is coz Tindall is Captain

 

[Feicarsinn]

I'd like to clarify something for Teh 'captain generalisation' Mite. we don't hate Tom Croft at all, in fact he's held in quite high regard in these parts. We'd just rather have a fully fit Ferris or SOB

 

[eot345]

I wont be too surprised if Engand are shook up a bit this weekend.

Hartley failed to make [strike]a huge[/strike] any impact in open play, so the option to start with Thompson is tempting.
Cole was outshome (IMO) by Doran-Jones, so I half expect him to act as a replacement. A fresh Cole with 35 minutes to go will completely demoralise the weak Irish scrum anyway.
Deacon's been living on borrowed time anyway. So considering how arse he was against Scotland, Lawes must return to the XV.
Tom Crofts impact is notable. Plus the Irish hate him. (How dare he be better then Ferris). Tom Wood will likely make way, although I'd prefer 6. Croft, 7. Wood, 8. Haskell on recent form. If Tindall is out, Croft to be captain.
Youngs was panicking against Scotland, while Care gave slower but more reliable service. I'd stick with Youngs, but consider an early sub if necessary.
Same thing with Flood/Wilkinson.
Hape is arse but who the hell gets brought in?
HMS Banahan is likely to start if Tindall is still broke. Someone pointed out beautifully that Banahan is being groomed to be an English SBW - True, except while both are over-rated players, HMS isn't blessed with either the agility or hand-eye co-ordination of SBW. Roll on the era of 36 and Manu (after the world cup).
Back 3 - Not broke, don't fix it.

So, my team:
1. HipHopProp
2. Wally/Hartley
3. PDJ
4. Palmer
5. Long Arm
6. Croft (c)
7. Wood
8. Haskwit
9. Youngs/Care
10. Flood/Golden ********
11. Cueto
12. Miserable
13. HMS Banahan
14. Golden ******** (mk. 2)
15. [strike]Jason Robinson[/strike] Foden

16. Hartley/Wally
17. Cole
18. Shaw
19. Easter
20. Care
21. Golden ********/Flood
22. Errr... Barritt. Or Armitage. Or ideally, Manu Tuilagi.

Cole played fine dropping him after one average match for DJ would be silly
if Manu is picked for the england team i will jizz myself i will also cry if armitage is picked

 

[coonor]

England need to play Youngs and Flood as they can both keep the pace high and that will hurt Ireland. I don't think Banahan will be very effective against Ireland I would expect BOD to be able to read him like a book.

 

[eot345]

England need to play Youngs and Flood as they can both keep the pace high and that will hurt Ireland. I don't think Banahan will be very effective against Ireland I would expect BOD to be able to read him like a book.

It's not difficult to work out what Bannahan is thinking... 'I'm gunna run over him' The difficulty is stoping him doing so


also i dont understand why everyone one thinks Irelnad are gunna be really physical England is a larger more physical team then Ireland (you cant debate that its simple maths)
plus if the idea of winning a grand slam does not fire up the english pack i dont know what will

 

[TRF_Olyy]

England need to play Youngs and Flood as they can both keep the pace high and that will hurt Ireland. I don't think Banahan will be very effective against Ireland I would expect BOD to be able to read him like a book.

True, but then this'll happen:

 

[lucky number 7]

It's not difficult to work out what Bannahan is thinking... 'I'm gunna run over him' The difficulty is stoping him doing so


also i dont understand why everyone one thinks Irelnad are gunna be really physical England is a larger more physical team then Ireland (you cant debate that its simple maths)

Firstly Bod is a phenomenal tackler and nothing short of a steam train should be getting over him.

secondly the Irish back row in my estimation is far more physical than the English, and with cian healy in front row and possibly cronin the front row seems to be far more dynamic too

 

[King_D'Arcy]

Johnson would be mad to start Banahan at 13. Can you really see his brain being able to cope with BOD?
Matt Banahan vs Brian O'Driscoll = A big lumbering moron vs a tactical genius