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[EOYT] Canada vs. New Zealand Maori. 03/11/13

Getting sell outs for this match in both the US and Canada can only be good for the game here, especially for potential investors in a pro league.
 
Wow, spectacular numbers! I only hope the rugby lives up to the billing. I didn't expect near this kind of response. Good on RC for the great job promoting this match. I'm looking forward to watching on TSN2. Has anyone heard anything about a broadcast for the Georgia match? That is going to be the test i'm most interested in seeing. A real test with as much of our 1st choice players as can be had against the Georgians at home should be an absolute cracker.
 
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Wow, spectacular numbers! I only hope the rugby lives up to the billing. I didn't expect near this kind of response. Good on RC for the great job promoting this match. I'm looking forward to watching on TSN2. Has anyone heard anything about a broadcast for the Georgia match? That is going to be the test i'm most interested in seeing. A real test with as much of our 1st choice players as can be had against the Georgians at home should be an absolute cracker.
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I think it's been moved to TSN from TSN2 Rusty, I checked the TSN schedule and it appears to be on the full TSN network, which is good as it's available to slightly more homes and viewers across the country. I haven't seen anything for the rest of the tour, but will frequently check TSN and Sportsnets schedules, a good turnout and ratings could drive a possible simulcast of the later tour matches which I'm really excited to see especially Georgia and Romania.
 
Interesting, when I checked earlier I could have sworn that it was TSN2 and with NFL on TSN and now it seems it is reversed. Good news for Rugby in Canada as TSN is accessible as part of the basic cable package and TSN2 is only available for people with the sports1 add on package. At least that is the case here in BC with Shaw cable. I don't know what is offered on Rogers in Ont.
 
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Interesting, when I checked earlier I could have sworn that it was TSN2 and with NFL on TSN and now it seems it is reversed. Good news for Rugby in Canada as TSN is accessible as part of the basic cable package and TSN2 is only available for people with the sports1 add on package. At least that is the case here in BC with Shaw cable. I don't know what is offered on Rogers in Ont.
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I have Shaw satellite where I beleive it's just an extra few cents a month, not sure about Rogers cable either. Yeah I thought I'd seen the same thing Rusty that it would be on TSN2 but as you said it now appears to be reversed. Another thought I had is whether there will be some sort of co-broadcast of the game or whether we will get a seperate feed from the Kiwi's. I honestly wouldn't mind getting the kiwi broadcast if I have to watch on TV, I've found our commentators to be a little on the weak side.
 
Maori side has been announced and added to the first post of the thread.

Edit: Canada are holding out till the morning of game day to name their side, which they can apparently do as it is not a test. Are they hoping someone gets fit at the last second? Is there a pro who might come off the plane into the lineup?
 
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Pretty strong looking NZ Maori side selected. The forward pack is exactly as I would have predicted. There are plenty of strong ball runners (all of the loose-trio excel with ball in hand), and the pack is very mobile (both locks have a lot of experience in the loose-forwards too). The only concerns I would have with that forward pack is whether they will play a bit loose, and whether Hoeata will survive the match without being yellow carded...

The most interesting selection in the backline is Bateman at 10. He does have some experience at 10, but is much better in the midfield. I'm not convinced he has the required tactical kicking game for a first-five. Ihaia West is very inexperienced but I would have preferred if he started at 10, with Bateman outside him at 12. It will be interesting to see who out of Weepu and Taylor does the goal-kicking. Personally I would have found room for either Baker or Proctor in the outside backs (or both), but there is still plenty of firepower without them. There are some real impact players on the Maori bench who could do some damage against tiring defenses late in the match, with the likes of Christie, Gibson-Park, West and Proctor all dangerous ball runners.
 
Do you have a link where I can watch the game? I know how to do for: "England-Wallabies" (TV) and "Japan-ABs" (Vip Online) but I don't have a link for this game.

Cheers
 
Rugby Canada dissapointingly waiting toll the last minute to get a lineup announced. I hope this is for one of the following reasons. A) A player(s) touch and go to recover from injury till the last minute and will be a game time decision. or less likely B ) A professional was released last minute and may now be able to make the roster or even C) Seeing if Carpenter wants to start at Hooker or whether Barkwill should.

If it's some sort of gamesmanship, it's pretty stupid to be frank, fan's should have an expectation of what they are going to see, and those attending will probably have no idea of the lineup until the squad literally runs out on to the pitch. It's also pretty silly to think the Maori will be quaking in their boots about selections like Illnicki potentially on the bench rather than March LOL.

I can only hazard a guess at what the lineup will look like, my guess is that Barkwill will start at Hooker, if not it will be Carpenter. If anyone does see the lineup if you could add it to the thread I would appreciate it as I am highly unlikely to see it before I leave for the game.
 
canadafan said:
Jones has tweeted that he is playing the Maori tomorrow.
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My guess is of the 26 man roster, March, Gilmour and Parfrey will be the ones left out of the side.

Edit and I was completely and utterly wrong LOL side has been announced, bad news as Tieddemann and Blevins were not good to go. It dosen't look like that horrible of a starting XV one that might be able to hold their own for stretches, Ardron has to move to Lock we are so desperate there, but boy does that bench look weak especially in the front row backup options are ugggghhhh.

1- Hubert Buydens, (Saskatoon Wild Oats/Manawatu Turbos) Saskatoon, SK
2- Ray Barkwill, (Niagara Wasps RFC/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
3- Doug Wooldridge, (Lindsay RFC/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON
4- Jon Phelan, (Lille Métropole Rugby/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC
5- Tyler Ardron, (Ospreys/Ontario Blues) Lakefield, ON
6- Nanyak Dala, (Castaway Wanderers/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
7- John Moonlight, (James Bay AA/Ontario Blues) Pickering, ON
8- Aaron Carpenter, Captain, (Cornish Pirates) Brantford, ON
9- Phil Mack, (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
10- Liam Underwood, (Queens University/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON
11- Conor Trainor, (UBCOB Ravens/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
12- Harry Jones, (Capilano RFC/BC Bears) West Vancouver, BC
13- Ciaran Hearn, (Castaway Wanderers/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay, NL
14- Jeff Hassler, (Ospreys/Prairie Wolf Pack) Okotoks, AB
15- Matt Evans, (Cornish Pirates) Maple Bay, BC

16- Jake Ilnicki, (Williams Lake Rustlers/Auckland Colts) Williams Lake, BC
17- Ryan March, (Abbotsford RFC/BC Bears) Abbotsford, BC
18- Aaron Flagg, (Abbotsford RFC/BC Bears) Abbotsford, BC
19- Kyle Gilmour, (St. Albert Rugby Club/Prairie Wolf Pack) Edmonton, AB
20- Adam Kleeberger, (Castaway Wanderers/BC Bears) White Rock, BC
21- Jamie Mackenzie, (UVIC Vikes/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON
22- Pat Parfrey, (Swilers RFC/Atlantic Rock) St. John's, NL
23- Connor Braid, (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
 
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TRF_LittleGuy said:
My guess is of the 26 man roster, March, Gilmour and Parfrey will be the ones left out of the side.

Edit and I was completely and utterly wrong LOL side has been announced, nbad news as Tieddemann was not good to go. It dosen't look like that horrible of a starting XV one that might be able to hold their own for stretches, Ardron has to move to Lock we are so desperate there, but boy does that bench look weak especially in the front row backup options are ugggghhhh.

1- Hubert Buydens, (Saskatoon Wild Oats/Manawatu Turbos) Saskatoon, SK
2- Ray Barkwill, (Niagara Wasps RFC/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
3- Doug Wooldridge, (Lindsay RFC/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON
4- Jon Phelan, (Lille Métropole Rugby/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC
5- Tyler Ardron, (Ospreys/Ontario Blues) Lakefield, ON
6- Nanyak Dala, (Castaway Wanderers/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
7- John Moonlight, (James Bay AA/Ontario Blues) Pickering, ON
8- Aaron Carpenter, Captain, (Cornish Pirates) Brantford, ON
9- Phil Mack, (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
10- Liam Underwood, (Queens University/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON
11- Conor Trainor, (UBCOB Ravens/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
12- Harry Jones, (Capilano RFC/BC Bears) West Vancouver, BC
13- Ciaran Hearn, (Castaway Wanderers/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay, NL
14- Jeff Hassler, (Ospreys/Prairie Wolf Pack) Okotoks, AB
15- Matt Evans, (Cornish Pirates) Maple Bay, BC

16- Jake Ilnicki, (Williams Lake Rustlers/Auckland Colts) Williams Lake, BC
17- Ryan March, (Abbotsford RFC/BC Bears) Abbotsford, BC
18- Aaron Flagg, (Abbotsford RFC/BC Bears) Abbotsford, BC
19- Kyle Gilmour, (St. Albert Rugby Club/Prairie Wolf Pack) Edmonton, AB
20- Adam Kleeberger, (Castaway Wanderers/BC Bears) White Rock, BC
21- Jamie Mackenzie, (UVIC Vikes/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON
22- Pat Parfrey, (Swilers RFC/Atlantic Rock) St. John's, NL
23- Connor Braid, (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
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So Carpenter isn't playing hooker then. I can't see that side coming as close as last year. From a Canadian point of view, keeping it close for 50 like the Ireland game is perhaps the best that can be hoped for. Wooldridge at tighthead doesn't convince me either. The backline looks much better than the forwards, should be good to see Trainor return to the lineup this month.

As you mentioned Little Guy, Kleeberger aside, that bench must have about 12 or 15 caps between them? Most of them haven't played too much above the ARC level.
 
Carpenter is probably the back up hooker. Don't mind that back line, glad Underwood is starting, but our forwards are definetly under strength. We will miss Tiedemann at 3.
 
canadafan said:
Carpenter is probably the back up hooker. Don't mind that back line, glad Underwood is starting, but our forwards are definetly under strength. We will miss Tiedemann at 3.
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Yeah I like the side from 9-15 and like our back row options as well, it's hard for me to guess on the score, it depends if the Maori come out ruthless or take a while to get into the game. If they get into the game they could run rampant in the final twenty against that bench.

Weather looks crisp but no undue conditions, 3 C and Sunny at game time, with a barely noticeable breeze. A little cool for this time of year but much better than had the game been yesterday when it was pouring or Friday and 70 kmh winds.

@ PD yeah that bench is very low on caps and experience.

16, 17 and 19 all have no caps. Flagg has one, Mackenzie has three, Parfrey has four, Braid is a little higher at eight, (and Kleebs of course has 35) so that's only 16 caps from the bench aside from Kleebs half of which are from Braid.

I'm guesing Underwood, Jones or Hearn handling the goal kicking duties? Huge step down from Pritchard, I'd actually rate Braid better than those three at goal kicking as well.
 
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And this is the problem that tier II countries will always face, depth. Strip away a little bit of the top layer and the whole house of cards comes down. This would be good line up to be playing Russia or Romania with, not the Maori. In the best of circumstances we have big questions in key positions and this line up has more holes than a prairie outhouse. Ardron will be sorely missed at flanker during scrum time but I understand about getting as many of your best players on the field as possible. That it why this match was always going to be so frustrating, because outside the IRB November window, to many players are not being made available and we have to jury-rig a line up that we hope won't get embarrassed.

Well I'm still out of town so can't watch live but PVR is set to kick on in one hour and I'll watch tonight when I get back home. I'm suspecting there is going to be much to analyze post game but I'll check back in later.

On a happier note... Wasn't it great to watch the Canucks crush the Maple Laffs again last night :)
 

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