England vs USA Eagles

[Welsh Exile]

King Alfred was a big fan of the levels so for that reason alone I'm not keen.

 

[Which Tyler]

King Alfred was a big fan of the levels so for that reason alone I'm not keen.

To be fair - I'd far rather we were a far more Scandinavian island as well

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I've long said we should devolve back into the 7 kingdoms

 

[Welsh Exile]

I've long said we should devolve back into the 7 kingdoms

Who would win the prem? London was Mercia rather than Wessex wasn't it? you could regionalise just like us Celts.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Who would win the prem? London was Mercia rather than Wessex wasn't it? you could regionalise just like us Celts.

Essex, I think

Mercia stretched quite far up north so would cover all the Midlands sides + Sale

 

[Which Tyler]

I've long said we should devolve back into the 7 kingdoms

7 was Game of Thrones. Alfred's time had 6 (the big 3 + East Anglia, Kent and Cornwall). Though I suppose there must have been a point between 20-odd and 6 where there were 7
London was Mercian; but Wessex went up to the Thames - not that there are any Southern London teams who'd make a difference

 

[TRF_Olyy]

7 was Game of Thrones. Alfred's time had 6 (the big 3 + East Anglia, Kent and Cornwall). Though I suppose there must have been a point between 20-odd and 6 where there were 7
London was Mercian; but Wessex went up to the Thames - not that there are any Southern London teams who'd make a difference

I was sure it was seven kingdoms that formed England?
Admittedly all of my knowledge comes from the Bernard Cornwell Saxon stories books

Edit:
East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex, Wessex.

Wikipedia has London as Mercian (followed by disputed between Mercia and Wessex).
Very surprised at that: why would Lichfield and Tamworth be the two top dogs if we had London?

 

[Which Tyler]

I was sure it was seven kingdoms that formed England?
Admittedly all of my knowledge comes from the Bernard Cornwell Saxon stories books

Edit:
East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex, Wessex.

Wikipedia has London as Mercian (followed by disputed between Mercia and Wessex).
Very surprised at that: why would Lichfield and Tamworth be the two top dogs if we had London?

Essex did exist as a kingdom; but to my knowledge (always interested, never properly studied), around the same time as Sussex, Middlesex and a tonne of others. Your list completely omits Cornwall btw

And because London wasn't anything much at the time - a mostly deserted Roman ruin

ETA, just checked Wiki - Essex was dissolved as a kingdom 23 years before Alfred was born, Sussex about 180 years previously.
If we're including them, then we're not looking at Alfred's time; and are looking at the Kingdoms of Cornwall, Wessex, Sussex, Kent, Essex, East Anglia, Mercia, Northumberland and Strathclyde (albeit "Strathclyde Scots").

My 20-odd estimate was pre-Saxon, and I was getting mixed up

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Essex did exist as a kingdom; but to my knowledge (always interested, never properly studied), around the same time as Sussex, Middlesex and a tonne of others. Your list completely omits Cornwall btw

And because London wasn't anything much at the time - a mostly deserted Roma ruin

As above: my knowledge of Saxon times is mainly from historical fiction, but I thought that at that time Cornwall was completely separate (map below refers to it as West Wales)

My list of seven is from:

Heptarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Reiser99]

My knowledge, limited as well, was that Cornwall was a native Briton kingdom, not one of the Saxon kingdoms.

 

[Which Tyler]

As above: my knowledge of Saxon times is mainly from historical fiction, but I thought that at that time Cornwall was completely separate (map below refers to it as West Wales)

My list of seven is from:

Heptarchy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From your link "the term is just used as a label of convenience and does not imply the existence of a clear-cut or stable group of seven kingdoms. The number of kingdoms and sub-kingdoms fluctuated rapidly during this period as competing kings contended for supremacy."

My knowledge, limited as well, was that Cornwall was a native Briton kingdom, not one of the Saxon kingdoms.

It was, until it wasn't. Of course, it still claims to be Celtic, despite being more London-2nd-home than Celtic owned.

I like: http://earlybritishkingdoms.com/kingdoms/index.html; which also has some nice maps, though they got tired of doing them and stopped at 625AD

 

[TRF_Olyy]

From your link "the term is just used as a label of convenience and does not imply the existence of a clear-cut or stable group of seven kingdoms. The number of kingdoms and sub-kingdoms fluctuated rapidly during this period as competing kings contended for supremacy."

It was, until it wasn't. Of course, it still claims to be Celtic, despite being more London-2nd-home than Celtic owned

Fair

I still want us to return to it even if it didn't technically exist

 

[Which Tyler]

Fair

I still want us to return to it even if it didn't technically exist

I'd like England to split into 4 Federalised states; Northumbria, Mercia (inc E Anglia), Wessex and London - which (last time I looked at it) made all 4 pretty much equal in terms of population and economy - depending on where you draw the boundaries.
I've even done one of my big posts about it somewhere (down to how many population per MP, how many MPs per region etc etc) - lost in the annals of internet history as the board I wrote it on has changed servers a couple of times since then.

 

[Welsh Exile]

My knowledge, limited as well, was that Cornwall was a native Briton kingdom, not one of the Saxon kingdoms.

They're all our kingdoms bud. Your lot are just squatting.

 

[Reiser99]

They're all our kingdoms bud. Your lot are just squatting.

Squatter's rights mate. We've been here long enough it's ours now.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

They're all our kingdoms bud. Your lot are just squatting.

TBH the Welsh are also squatters, although may be down to not discovering flushing toilets yet.

 

[Welsh Exile]

TBH the Welsh are also squatters, although may be down to not discovering flushing toilets yet.

Don't need any of that Roman rubbish.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't need any of that Roman rubbish.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Brexit means Brexit mate. **** em

 

[Nudger]

Fair

I still want us to return to it even if it didn't technically exist

A full Anglo Saxon brexit