England v New Zealand - 2 November 2024

[Becca]

Well that was really disappointing, wasn't it ?

 

[BrokenWing]

Huh?
Neither offence was ignored.

#22 was shown a yellow card for the tackle off the ball, then once shown the replays of the high tackle, he was shown a yellow card for that. With a 10 minute review.

I'm not convinced that you can show a red card for 2 yellows, without first showing a yellow.

The first was a possible red card. So if the tackle off the ball happened first, would the straight yellow for that overrule the bunker review for a possible red?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well that was really disappointing, wasn't it ?

I wish I knew what the disappointment of losing to the ABs by 2 points felt like.

 

[McTallshort]

Great game but shame about the result

 

[Jimbo]

I don't like to single out players but Fords, attempt to tackle to prevent the try was pretty Damn poor has to go lower and with more force, no need to worry about the offload England had plenty of players around and probably could have picked it off, then there was the missed drop goal, you could argue that you shouldn't be relying on these things but in which a tight match with such little chose it really is the difference. That seemed for the most part like a step back from a lot of what we have seen this year but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt given they haven't played together for a while whilst NZ have just finished a tournament together. I think Finn Smith has a better attempt at a tackle to prevent the try though, I've always considered it the glaring weakness in Fords Game, and no I am not saying I want fly half's to put in show stopping tackles like the row but I do expect full effort/momentum to be put into them especially late on with the game literally on the line.

 

[Which Tyler]

The first was a possible red card. So if the tackle off the ball happened first, would the straight yellow for that overrule the bunker review for a possible red?

No.
Dangerous play trumps technical foul

 

[Rinkadink]

Yeah that's a yellow, both low but definitely high and hard

Curious.

 

[sup_rugby15]

The first was a possible red card. So if the tackle off the ball happened first, would the straight yellow for that overrule the bunker review for a possible red?

Do you have a clip? Seems weird...

 

[Rinkadink]

Think the right team won, if England cannot get a dub at home with the available talent at their disposal in the domestic competition and the rub of the green on the day then I don't see where they will when it really matters, such as in a world cup.

New Zealand will be happy with that win and still have work to do. Not sure where England go from there.

 

[AlRums]

Ben Curry is Welsh?!

Nobody would wish that on him, except the Welsh.

 

[Which Tyler]

Do you have a clip? Seems weird...

Bit early for clips yet.
AB#22 put in a high shot with both players pretty low, but bent at the knee, not waist. Ref thought it was nothing much in real time.

A few seconds later, AB#22 put in a tackle off the ball, with NZ having already been given a team warning and a team final warning, so got a yellow for that.

TMO then called red back for the high tackle, which they looked at loads of times, and switched the yellow card offence to the earlier high tackle, with TMO review.

So AB#22 nreceived a yellow card with review, and England got choice of location for their penalty.
Fans got upset about... something or other.

 

[sup_rugby15]

So was the first yellow card for repeated fouls and not for dangerous foul play? In any case, given these premises, leaving the choice of location seems incorrect! :O

 

[Abraxaz]

England are fast becoming the biggest choke artists of world rugby.

Choked against France in the six nations and failed to take advantage of a miss firing New Zealand.

Really struggling to see how England improve, I think we will struggle against Australia and get hammered by South Africa.

Luckily we are playing Ireland away the first game of the six nations…

 

[AlRums]

Bit early for clips yet.
AB#22 put in a high shot with both players pretty low, but bent at the knee, not waist. Ref thought it was nothing much in real time.

A few seconds later, AB#22 put in a tackle off the ball, with NZ having already been given a team warning and a team final warning, so got a yellow for that.

TMO then called red back for the high tackle, which they looked at loads of times, and switched the yellow card offence to the earlier high tackle, with TMO review.

So AB#22 nreceived a yellow card with review, and England got choice of location for their penalty.
Fans got upset about... something or other.

Perfect description, although I think the ref should have applied the original penalty (high tackle) which England chose anyway.

 

[AlRums]

England are fast becoming the biggest choke artists of world rugby.

Choked against France in the six nations and failed to take advantage of a miss firing New Zealand.

Really struggling to see how England improve, I think we will struggle against Australia and get hammered by South Africa.

Luckily we are playing Ireland away the first game of the six nations…

When you'll get hammered in Dublin

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Then you'll get hammered in Dublin

Excellent pickup of the sarcasm there

 

[Which Tyler]

So was the first yellow card for repeated fouls and not for dangerous foul play? In any case, given these premises, leaving the choice of location seems incorrect! :O

I'm not sure I've ever seen that when there are multiple offences in the same phase of play.
Would be interesting to hear from one of the board ref.s.

 

[OllyM97]

Borthwick has won 1 game in 9 against the top sides since he took over. That's nowhere near good enough for an England coach. I thought we were poor today and only some sloppy NZ finishing let us off the hook, on another day we could have lost by 15 points plus. It's just not good enough with the talent that is in the squad. Our attacking game today was virtually non existent and, once again, when we got a lead we reverted to the default negative setting that is this coaching teams' mantra. The Springboks will absolutely marmalise us if we play like that.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Borthwick has won 1 game in 9 against the top sides since he took over. That's nowhere near good enough for an England coach. I thought we were poor today and only some sloppy NZ finishing let us off the hook, on another day we could have lost by 15 points plus. It's just not good enough with the talent that is in the squad. Our attacking game today was virtually non existent and, once again, when we got a lead we reverted to the default negative setting that is this coaching teams' mantra. The Springboks will absolutely marmalise us if we play like that.

It's hard to disagree with this but at least you've seen some progress from when he took over. The 6N will be a good indicator. I'd say 3rd place is absolute minimum but really you should be targeting top 2.

 

[Jimbo]

It's hard to disagree with this but at least you've seen some progress from when he took over. The 6N will be a good indicator. I'd say 3rd place is absolute minimum but really you should be targeting top 2.

Based on games post 6 nations I don't fancy England against Ireland or France, Scotland have had our number for a while, honestly not convinced we get any better.