England future management?

[psychic duck]

Odds on Eddie Jones have tumbled today after a surge of money put on him. He's now favourite with all bookies ahead of Jake White and low as 1.33 with Paddy Power.

Would be a poor appointment imo.

 

[Maverick1987]

Odds on Eddie Jones have tumbled today after a surge of money put on him. He's now favourite with all bookies ahead of Jake White and low as 1.33 with Paddy Power.

Would be a poor appointment imo.

I think that would be the best appointment of I'm honest . He seems able to get the best out of the players and that's all we need . Oh and sensible selection

 

[psychic duck]

I think that would be the best appointment of I'm honest . He seems able to get the best out of the players and that's all we need . Oh and sensible selection 

Jones and sensible selection?

There have been numerous cases of crazy stuff Jones has done with his Japan team.

You just need to look at the RWC warm ups and where he played one of his flankers on the wing. Or where he also played two specialist scrum halves with one on the wing. He also wanted to see his 10 could make it as a 13. His winger could make it as a 13. And picked out some rather obscure players from left field. He also picked a player in his RWC squad, despite being really of little use and out of his depth at this level and didn't feature at all, merely for his 'leadership credentials' within the group.

You're not going for a safe bet as a coach here. He is outside the box and takes punts and experiments that will leave people scratching their head at times.

By the way, you can expect a return for Steffon Armitage based on the articles Jones was writing during the RWC.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Nah O'Connor will be ahead.

Not riding the bandwagon.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Jones and sensible selection?

You're not going for a safe bet as a coach here. He is outside the box and takes punts and experiments that will leave people scratching their head at times.

Last one of those we had we had didn't do so bad. Difference was that he had a strong group of leaders in the team who were prepared to tell him when he was being particularly barmy. And he was big enough to listen.

 

[Maverick1987]

Jones and sensible selection?

There have been numerous cases of crazy stuff Jones has done with his Japan team.

You just need to look at the RWC warm ups and where he played one of his flankers on the wing. Or where he also played two specialist scrum halves with one on the wing. He also wanted to see his 10 could make it as a 13. His winger could make it as a 13. And picked out some rather obscure players from left field. He also picked a player in his RWC squad, despite being really of little use and out of his depth at this level and didn't feature at all, merely for his 'leadership credentials' within the group.

You're not going for a safe bet as a coach here. He is outside the box and takes punts and experiments that will leave people scratching their head at times.

By the way, you can expect a return for Steffon Armitage based on the articles Jones was writing during the RWC.

He's not likely to have to do crazy things like that with England because of the number of players to pick from . He has very little option but to try things when attempting to improve Japan in a a short space of time

Also I'd rather a coach that thinks outside the box a bit rather than have someone who won't change players or try new things . Eddie Jones always seems to have a good input wherever he goes

 

[psychic duck]

He's not likely to have to do crazy things like that with England because of the number of players to pick from . He has very little option but to try things when attempting to improve Japan in a a short space of time

Also I'd rather a coach that thinks outside the box a bit rather than have someone who won't change players or try new things . Eddie Jones always seems to have a good input wherever he goes

Eh? He had an entire full 4 years with Japan and was still doing crazy stuff like putting a specialist flanker at wing in a test just before the RWC.

The greater scope of options leads itself to more room for maverick selections not less. And I was just talking about his time with Japan, there's stuff from his Wallaby reign as well.

You need to remember Jones is a gambler and risk taker who is far from the safest bet out there. He's had his fair share of misses as well as hits over his career. He won the Super 12 with the Brumbies playing superb rugby but also had that miserable 2007 season at the Reds where he resigned after losing 92-3 in his final game. He had a remarkable RWC with Japan, but also in his time in charge outside of that had an 0-8 record against the 3 Pacific Islanders. He had a 50% win record against the All Blacks and nearly won a RWC with an off form team, but ended his Wallaby regime as injuries hit and lost 8 of his last 9 games with increasingly insane selections.

 

[Maverick1987]

Eh? He had an entire full 4 years with Japan and was still doing crazy stuff like putting a specialist flanker at wing in a test just before the RWC.

The greater scope of options leads itself to more room for maverick selections not less. And I was just talking about his time with Japan, there's stuff from his Wallaby reign as well.

You need to remember Jones is a gambler and risk taker who is far from the safest bet out there. He's had his fair share of misses as well as hits over his career. He won the Super 12 with the Brumbies playing superb rugby but also had that miserable 2007 season at the Reds where he resigned after losing 92-3 in his final game. He had a remarkable RWC with Japan, but also in his time in charge outside of that had an 0-8 record against the 3 Pacific Islanders. He had a 50% win record against the All Blacks and nearly won a RWC with an off form team, but ended his Wallaby regime as injuries hit and lost 8 of his last 9 games with increasingly insane selections.

Maybe although I'd be more inclined to say he's less likely to make crazy selections like the ones you have mentioned when he has a hatful of quality players in those positions to already pick . For example why would he pick a flanker on the wing for England when we already have Wade, Yarde, May, Watson, Nowell etc available

Also we don't want a safe pick we just had Lancaster .... After Johnson who just picked his mates and Robinson before that . He's been involved in a RWC win he's a step up from everyone else we seen for a decade ...

 

[psychic duck]

Maybe although I'd be more inclined to say he's less likely to make crazy selections like the ones you have mentioned when he has a hatful of quality players in those positions to already pick . For example why would he pick a flanker on the wing for England when we already have Wade, Yarde, May, Watson, Nowell etc available

Also we don't want a safe pick we just had Lancaster .... After Johnson who just picked his mates and Robinson before that . He's been involved in a RWC win he's a step up from everyone else we seen for a decade ...

That selection had absolutely nothing to do with there being a lack of options on the wing. Not that we will see it repeated anyway, as it didn't work out. Remember he put Mat Rogers at 10 after Larkham got injured in his final matches in charge of Australia.

Also I'm not sure Lancaster, who recently put Burgess at 12 for a big match at a RWC, would be what you describe as a 'safe pick'.

Also how did Johnson just pick his 'mates'? That wasn't what I recall, and also a strange to say that when Jones just put a 35 year old ex-League player from Australia (and who he knew before Japan) in his squad after pretty much 18 months straight of injury.

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Maybe although I'd be more inclined to say he's less likely to make crazy selections like the ones you have mentioned when he has a hatful of quality players in those positions to already pick . For example why would he pick a flanker on the wing for England when we already have Wade, Yarde, May, Watson, Nowell etc available

Also we don't want a safe pick we just had Lancaster .... After Johnson who just picked his mates and Robinson before that . He's been involved in a RWC win he's a step up from everyone else we seen for a decade ...

That selection had absolutely nothing to do with there being a lack of options on the wing. Not that we will see it repeated anyway, as it didn't work out. Remember he put Mat Rogers at 10 after Larkham got injured in his final matches in charge of Australia.

Also I'm not sure Lancaster, who recently put Burgess at 12 for a big match at a RWC, would be what you describe as a 'safe pick'.

Also how did Johnson just pick his 'mates'? That wasn't what I recall, and also a strange to say that when Jones just put a 35 year old ex-League player from Australia (and who he knew before Japan) in his squad after pretty much 18 months straight of injury.

 

[Maverick1987]

That selection had absolutely nothing to do with there being a lack of options on the wing. Not that we will see it repeated anyway, as it didn't work out. Remember he put Mat Rogers at 10 after Larkham got injured in his final matches in charge of Australia.

Also I'm not sure Lancaster, who recently put Burgess at 12 for a big match at a RWC, would be what you describe as a 'safe pick'.

Also how did Johnson just pick his 'mates'? That wasn't what I recall, and also a strange to say that when Jones just put a 35 year old ex-League player from Australia (and who he knew before Japan) in his squad after pretty much 18 months straight of injury.

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That selection had absolutely nothing to do with there being a lack of options on the wing. Not that we will see it repeated anyway, as it didn't work out. Remember he put Mat Rogers at 10 after Larkham got injured in his final matches in charge of Australia.

Also I'm not sure Lancaster, who recently put Burgess at 12 for a big match at a RWC, would be what you describe as a 'safe pick'.

Also how did Johnson just pick his 'mates'? That wasn't what I recall, and also a strange to say that when Jones just put a 35 year old ex-League player from Australia (and who he knew before Japan) in his squad after pretty much 18 months straight of injury.

Ok I get your drift but I think every coach in world rugby has strange ways . Hell Cuthbert has about 15 more caps than he deserved as do countless other players from various places but I think you need a coach that can work well in your environment . I have a good feeling about Eddie Jones which is why he's been one of the coaches I liked from the start

 

[McTallshort]

The more and more people talk about an overseas coach the more I dont like the idea, there is an article somewhere comparing this clamour for a big name to the FA's choice of Sven and Fabio but the difference with Rugby being we do actually have some very good English coaches.

Think we should look again at what we have.

 

[Wimero]

Odds on Eddie Jones have tumbled today after a surge of money put on him. He's now favourite with all bookies ahead of Jake White and low as 1.33 with Paddy Power.

Would be a poor appointment imo.

Mate works for William Hill at there HQ.Said they've took some heafty bets on Jones in the last day or sne was for £4k at 5-2.I backed him at 6's about week ago.Just a tenner though.

 

[Maverick1987]

The more and more people talk about an overseas coach the more I dont like the idea, there is an article somewhere comparing this clamour for a big name to the FA's choice of Sven and Fabio but the difference with Rugby being we do actually have some very good English coaches.

Think we should look again at what we have.

I think we should have Eddie Jones then match him up with Edwards and Baxter and a good English attack coach ? Mix a bit of foreign coaching with some home grown knowledge

 

[Colombia]

Jones has won the Super 12, Tri Nations, Top League, PNC and performed well at 2 World Cups.

He wouldn't be my first choice but I think he has shown that if he has the cattle he can turn it into trophies.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Mate works for William Hill at there HQ.Said they've took some heafty bets on Jones in the last day or sne was for £4k at 5-2.I backed him at 6's about week ago.Just a tenner though.

I put 25p on him at 8-1 a while ago (during the RWC).

Dave Rennie's odds have shortened a lot today on 365 - I don't think he was even listed on their site before.

 

[psychic duck]

Jones has won the Super 12, Tri Nations, Top League, PNC and performed well at 2 World Cups.

He wouldn't be my first choice but I think he has shown that if he has the cattle he can turn it into trophies.

He never won the PNC with Japan.

 

[Colombia]

He never won the PNC with Japan.

He did, they were joint winners in 2014.

In 2014, Jones secured Japan's seventh consecutive Asian Five Nations ***le, before jointly winning the 2014 IRB Pacific Nations Cup with Fiji.

 

[psychic duck]

He did, they were joint winners in 2014.

No he didn't. There wasn't a proper tournament that year and no trophy was awarded (wikipedia is wrong). And even if there had been a trophy, it would be a complete non-achievement beating the two weakest teams. It would be the equivalent of beating Italy and Scotland and crowning yourself 6 Nations champions.

 

[Colombia]

No he didn't. There wasn't a proper tournament that year and no trophy was awarded (wikipedia is wrong). And even if there had been a trophy, it would be a complete non-achievement beating the two weakest teams. It would be the equivalent of beating Italy and Scotland and crowning yourself 6 Nations champions.

The competition was held, and Japan & Fiji are listed as joint winners.

But quite honestly it really doesn't matter when set against his other achievements - which are numerous.

 

[Five Meters Out]

To my mind it's about getting the right fit.
In my opinion Jake White would be the best fit for Coach of the England rugby team. I base that on the manner in which he coached South Africa and the Brumbies. His coaching style would hone the the current strengths of the English side, while negating the faults that see English rugby lagging 5 years behind Southern Hemisphere teams. I further believe the English players would find White acceptable.
I could not say the same of Eddie Jones. That's not to say Eddie's not a good Coach, but I believe he will get frustrated with the English players and vice versa.