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What i don't get is that Williams is already in the EPS squad so wouldn't be a surprised call up.
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Nope. I'm calling it now. He's a Wilkinson or a Simpson-Daniel. Brilliant patches but he'll not get anywhere near the number of caps he deserves imo.
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He needs to do what Corbs did and take some time off. He hasn't consistently played since 2014 was it? No point bringing him back over and over just for him to get injured again. Also gives Mallinder a chance in the EPS.
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Retire early due to a recurring injury problem that is never allowed to fully heal?
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I mean what Corbs originally intended to do, take a year sabbatical rather than retire from the game.
But yeah that's the gist of it.
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And so it should remain. I like Mallinder and feel he has a great future but he is still young and I'd rather feed him in gradually. We need to expose our youth to top tier rugby early but not make them starters early. A few games from the bench and then see if he works as a starter. I'd rate him as a 12 rather than a 10 though. Can't believe I've reached a point where I'm talking about the future prospects of rugby players younger than me...
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Of course he is but he undeniably has huge potential. Who else is there to call up in place of Tuilagi? Devoto's been reliable but nothing else, Hill's inconsistent, Burrell's just unimpressive (and injured?). That leaves Barritt, Eastmond and Twelvetrees, and let's please not go there again. Get Mallinder in the EPS alongside Marchant so those 2 can develop together. They were a superb pairing.
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Mallinder is also a massive chippy ****, and not in a good way like the best scrumhalves are.
Head needs to cool down before he can be considered for international rugby, imo.
Head needs to cool down before he can be considered for international rugby, imo.
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To be honest, it's not as though anyone was realistically expecting Tuilagi to slot straight back in.
In the handful of occasions he has played in the past year or so, he's not looked anything like the player he was before his injuries and also hasn't demonstrated that he can play 12 at AP level, let alone at test level.
I'll allow myself to get excited about Tuilagi once he strings a solid run of games together and starts looking like his old self. That could be some time away, so until then, he's just an afterthought.
Presumably his absence opens the door for one of the Saxons centres? I'm not sure how much to read in to a Saxons squad from last season, but logically the next options are likely to be one of Devoto, Hill, James or Tompkins. I'm discounting Burrell, but Eddie may not be and I guess I wouldn't be stunned if he was recalled.
Alternatively, Eddie might take a different angle and rather than call-up a replacement centre, he may bring in another 10. With Farrell likely to stay at 12, it would make sense to have more cover at 10 IMO. Slade obviously covers both, but considering he hasn't shone in his outings at 10 for the Chiefs (albeit brief), I assume he'd only be considered as a centre, so I think there's room for another out-and-out 10. Personally, I'd rather bring in Cipriani over any of the centres from the Saxons squad.
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I was writing my last post while you posted this one ...
Barritt and Twelvetrees must surely be non-starters. Twelvetrees is on the bench for Gloucester ATM which says it all ...
I can't see Eastmond getting a call-up, but he's looked solid in a Wasps shirt from what I've seen. I caught the second half of the game on Saturday and he looked decent enough. He's got more to offer than Barritt, Burrell or Twelvetrees IMO.
I agree that Mallinder and Marchant could be a 'superb pairing' in the future, but I'd prefer we didn't have too many 'development' players in the squad at the same time. Unless there is a huge injury crisis, there's not much chance of either of them taking the field in the AIs or 6N and right now, I think Mallinder's first priority is nailing-down the 12 shirt with Saints.
In the handful of occasions he has played in the past year or so, he's not looked anything like the player he was before his injuries and also hasn't demonstrated that he can play 12 at AP level, let alone at test level.
I'll allow myself to get excited about Tuilagi once he strings a solid run of games together and starts looking like his old self. That could be some time away, so until then, he's just an afterthought.
Presumably his absence opens the door for one of the Saxons centres? I'm not sure how much to read in to a Saxons squad from last season, but logically the next options are likely to be one of Devoto, Hill, James or Tompkins. I'm discounting Burrell, but Eddie may not be and I guess I wouldn't be stunned if he was recalled.
Alternatively, Eddie might take a different angle and rather than call-up a replacement centre, he may bring in another 10. With Farrell likely to stay at 12, it would make sense to have more cover at 10 IMO. Slade obviously covers both, but considering he hasn't shone in his outings at 10 for the Chiefs (albeit brief), I assume he'd only be considered as a centre, so I think there's room for another out-and-out 10. Personally, I'd rather bring in Cipriani over any of the centres from the Saxons squad.
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I was writing my last post while you posted this one ...
Barritt and Twelvetrees must surely be non-starters. Twelvetrees is on the bench for Gloucester ATM which says it all ...
I can't see Eastmond getting a call-up, but he's looked solid in a Wasps shirt from what I've seen. I caught the second half of the game on Saturday and he looked decent enough. He's got more to offer than Barritt, Burrell or Twelvetrees IMO.
I agree that Mallinder and Marchant could be a 'superb pairing' in the future, but I'd prefer we didn't have too many 'development' players in the squad at the same time. Unless there is a huge injury crisis, there's not much chance of either of them taking the field in the AIs or 6N and right now, I think Mallinder's first priority is nailing-down the 12 shirt with Saints.
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AI's will prob be IMO
10 - Ford, Faz and maybe Cips or even as a bolter Loz
12 - Faz, Slade, T'eo
13 - JJ, Daly, Marchant
I don't see Mallinder being brought in just yet.
10 - Ford, Faz and maybe Cips or even as a bolter Loz
12 - Faz, Slade, T'eo
13 - JJ, Daly, Marchant
I don't see Mallinder being brought in just yet.
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I can't see Lozowski being brought in - even as a 'bolter' TBH.
It would be a bit of a nightmare for Sarries if he was though - they'd be playing without a recognised 10, so they'd possibly have to draft in Malins.
I don't know how likely it is we'll see Cipriani either, but he'd be a far more logical choice and has started pretty well at Wasps.
It would be a bit of a nightmare for Sarries if he was though - they'd be playing without a recognised 10, so they'd possibly have to draft in Malins.
I don't know how likely it is we'll see Cipriani either, but he'd be a far more logical choice and has started pretty well at Wasps.
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There's been a lot of hype around Lozowski for a couple of years now but he's only just getting an opportunity to start justifying it.
He's done fairly well for Sarries in Farrell's absence and has scored a reasonable amount of points. He's also being courted by Italy, so it's not a crazy suggestion to think he might get a call as another 'development' player, but personally I can't see it ...
He's done fairly well for Sarries in Farrell's absence and has scored a reasonable amount of points. He's also being courted by Italy, so it's not a crazy suggestion to think he might get a call as another 'development' player, but personally I can't see it ...
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Loz was getting hype at leeds because he looked good at a very young age and was an academy lad.
Went to Wasps and didn't really get much time and when wasps were under performing (especially at 10) people were questioning why the wonder kid wasn't getting played and it became a bit of a thing that he was the answer to their problems but the coaching staff couldn't see it.
The rep has followed him on to Sarries.
Looks a very talented youngster but has a reputation far exceeding his performances.
Went to Wasps and didn't really get much time and when wasps were under performing (especially at 10) people were questioning why the wonder kid wasn't getting played and it became a bit of a thing that he was the answer to their problems but the coaching staff couldn't see it.
The rep has followed him on to Sarries.
Looks a very talented youngster but has a reputation far exceeding his performances.
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Those are wise words. The Premiership has seen loads of talented fly halves but without consistency they become just another Ryan Lamb.
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Eddie Jones saying that he is looking for a destructive defensive player not a traditional 7 hence Williams and Jones being in.
he is bringing in some British judo coaches to work on the players Jackeling.
Cockers speaking his mind V the RFU and it's international coaching experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...erill-rfu-england-coach-role?CMP=share_btn_tw
"I think there are quality coaches in the Premiership but it's about how you help them. I don't know if I can coach at Test level because I've never done it. But there is nobody within the RFU who is helping with that knowledge. Nobody from the union has spoken to me about it, ever. Nobody from the union – as far as I know – has every asked any of the coaches in the Premiership: 'If an opportunity came in three years' time, would you like to be part of the England set-up?' Those conversations don't happen. They just have a knee-jerk reaction when someone gets the sack, don't they? Generally, that's true.""
"Ian Ritchie seems to have the question but he doesn't seem to know the answer. He's the chief exec of the union. Maybe he should have the answers," Cockerill said
"I don't know what the RFU are doing to develop young English coaches, to take that next step. The impression I've been given is that, if you are an under-16, -18 or -20s coach at the RFU, from that group they will find the next person who will go through and coach England. But, generally, those are guys who have been sacked from the Premiership.
Baxter, Young and McCall saying similar stuff but not quite as blunt.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/28/premiership-coaches-rfu-overseas-experience
he is bringing in some British judo coaches to work on the players Jackeling.
Cockers speaking his mind V the RFU and it's international coaching experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...erill-rfu-england-coach-role?CMP=share_btn_tw
"I think there are quality coaches in the Premiership but it's about how you help them. I don't know if I can coach at Test level because I've never done it. But there is nobody within the RFU who is helping with that knowledge. Nobody from the union has spoken to me about it, ever. Nobody from the union – as far as I know – has every asked any of the coaches in the Premiership: 'If an opportunity came in three years' time, would you like to be part of the England set-up?' Those conversations don't happen. They just have a knee-jerk reaction when someone gets the sack, don't they? Generally, that's true.""
"Ian Ritchie seems to have the question but he doesn't seem to know the answer. He's the chief exec of the union. Maybe he should have the answers," Cockerill said
"I don't know what the RFU are doing to develop young English coaches, to take that next step. The impression I've been given is that, if you are an under-16, -18 or -20s coach at the RFU, from that group they will find the next person who will go through and coach England. But, generally, those are guys who have been sacked from the Premiership.
Baxter, Young and McCall saying similar stuff but not quite as blunt.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/28/premiership-coaches-rfu-overseas-experience
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Is this what Matt Stevens did during his "sabbatical"?
