England 6N 2016 - General Chit Chat

[Every Time Ref]

You definitely can't be half arsed about it, which England were. The midfield would rush up but then not pressure the person with the ball or drift when the ball was moved along, they would just stand there waiting for the French to try to run directly at them.

Yeah, I think there comes a point when you've either got to pressure or drift, you need to make that decision quickly and you need to all make it together (or, more likely a leader communicates it to all quickly and clearly), otherwise you're left hanging around between the two.

It's very hard to get right, and very hard to balance, that's why I'm OK with allowing a few mistakes while learning the system. At it's best it could be seriously intense defence, Gustard deserves a chance to get England there.

 

[Maverick1987]

He can post here if he likes - rugby forum, rugby fan - and you shouldn't be trying to dictate that.

Waking up to an entire page of people just sniping at Valley Commando without actually talking about any of his points is a bit crap. Next time that happens, I will ban at least one person.

If you don't want to talk to him, don't talk to him. But this constant to-do where he can't post a single thing to do with English rugby without a raft of people going 'OMG VC why you talking' is childish beyond belief.

Grow up.

Seems fair .....

 

[Maverick1987]

2nd in the poorest 6 Nations I can remember.
I don't see any progress at all, we were poor against a poor Ireland, marginally better against a Scotland side who aren't that good, average against the worst French side fora decade, then we didn't turn up for over an hour against an England side who the press are wrongly building up to be better than they actually are, then we beat a weak injury ravaged Italy, we are always going to be average whilst Howley is in charge of attack. Mark Ring was talking sense on radio Wales Saturday evening in a call to Rick O'Shea, we have these naturally gifted attacking, off the cuff backs who Howley manages to coach the flair out of. (Ringo didn't name Howley but he did suggest that players are having the flair and instinct restricted by the coaching methods employed by Wales)
Well done to England whose young squad performed okay, you were the best of a bad bunch and something dramatic needs to happen if we are to receive anything other than humiliation on our respective SH summer tours.

Nope don't agree with any part of this . I really enjoyed the six nations for obvious reasons . I thought for the most England's game plan was well executed we didn't really look like loosing any game other than the last 10 minutes of the Wales game . We controlled the other teams best players well too . In short I think for England it's great but there's still some things to work on to improve . As there always is .

As for humiliation against the Southern Hemisphere teams you speak for your own team because I'm very confident of a win down under . I'm gonna call it 2-1 to England . I also wouldn't be surprised to see Wales win one with all NZs retirements .....

 

[johnmac99]

He can post here if he likes - rugby forum, rugby fan - and you shouldn't be trying to dictate that.

Waking up to an entire page of people just sniping at Valley Commando without actually talking about any of his points is a bit crap. Next time that happens, I will ban at least one person.

If you don't want to talk to him, don't talk to him. But this constant to-do where he can't post a single thing to do with English rugby without a raft of people going 'OMG VC why you talking' is childish beyond belief.

Grow up.

No-one was dictating anything. It was a joke as indicated by the smiley face. A bit of banter that was a riposte to a bit of banter by Valley Commando.

I am never vindictive to other posters and was just having a bit of fun, but you seem to have picked on what I posted and made it into something it isn't.

I know you are a moderator and I respect that, however I don't appreciate being spoken to in such a tyrannical manner and telling me to 'grow up' is insulting and unnecessary.

 

[French Tiger]

What do you think of Marler's performance level and generaly the scrum during this 6Nations?
For me, I'm not pleased with his performance even though he was much better than at the last WC. And I have heard lot that the English scrum had returned to a very high level, but for me, it is behind the Welsh and French in this area.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Marler did alright, decent scrummaging and you can notice the difference he makes in defence.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

He can post here if he likes - rugby forum, rugby fan - and you shouldn't be trying to dictate that.

Waking up to an entire page of people just sniping at Valley Commando without actually talking about any of his points is a bit crap. Next time that happens, I will ban at least one person.

If you don't want to talk to him, don't talk to him. But this constant to-do where he can't post a single thing to do with English rugby without a raft of people going 'OMG VC why you talking' is childish beyond belief.

Grow up.

I think it's perfectly valid to point out that he just copied over a post about welsh rugby to the English rugby forum, in a place where it has little to no relevance at all. Why he posted that again here is pretty obvious to most on here.
Telling him he can't post is a step too far but at the same time I don't think posting to derail a thread should be encouraged either.

Back to the rugger....I liked Marlers contribution around the field more than I usually do... he just felt like he was physically bigger and had more impact carrying. Perfectly likely that the stats don't bear this out. Most of the penalties were against Cole, not sure if that reflects Marler tightening up his act or Cole just being really really terrible..

 

[valley commando]

He can post here if he likes - rugby forum, rugby fan - and you shouldn't be trying to dictate that.

Waking up to an entire page of people just sniping at Valley Commando without actually talking about any of his points is a bit crap. Next time that happens, I will ban at least one person.

If you don't want to talk to him, don't talk to him. But this constant to-do where he can't post a single thing to do with English rugby without a raft of people going 'OMG VC why you talking' is childish beyond belief.

Grow up.

Thanks, much appreciated. Do you know why I got a notification Peat and my green line is now a red dot?
As far as my comments go I was genuine in the comments I made and if we had won the 6 N my comments would be similar, I hope I'm wrong but I feel we in the NH are falling further behind the South and am not looking forward to the summer tours.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Thanks, much appreciated. Do you know why I got a notification Peat and my green line is now a red dot?
As far as my comments go I was genuine in the comments I made and if we had won the 6 N my comments would be similar, I hope I'm wrong but I feel we in the NH are falling further behind the South and am not looking forward to the summer tours.

Guessing you have been neg slapped.

 

[valley commando]

Nope don't agree with any part of this . I really enjoyed the six nations for obvious reasons . I thought for the most England's game plan was well executed we didn't really look like loosing any game other than the last 10 minutes of the Wales game . We controlled the other teams best players well too . In short I think for England it's great but there's still some things to work on to improve . As there always is .

As for humiliation against the Southern Hemisphere teams you speak for your own team because I'm very confident of a win down under . I'm gonna call it 2-1 to England . I also wouldn't be surprised to see Wales win one with all NZs retirements .....

We are both entitled to our opinions, however I still feel the standards have dropped in this 6N, maybe it's due to the WC I don't know. What I am sure of is I didn't enjoy any of our matches. For the tournament I would award England 5.5 out of 10, Wales 4.5, Ireland 4, France and Scotland 3 and Italy 2.

As for the summer England could maybe win 1 test at best against the weakest of the SH big 3, as to our chance against NZ zero. I don't know whether to admire your optimism or ask you what drugs your taking.

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No-one was dictating anything. It was a joke as indicated by the smiley face. A bit of banter that was a riposte to a bit of banter by Valley Commando.

I am never vindictive to other posters and was just having a bit of fun, but you seem to have picked on what I posted and made it into something it isn't.

I know you are a moderator and I respect that, however I don't appreciate being spoken to in such a tyrannical manner and telling me to 'grow up' is insulting and unnecessary.

So we can say what we want to other posters and by sticking a smiley face on the post it negates the comments, very amusing.

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I think it's perfectly valid to point out that he just copied over a post about welsh rugby to the English rugby forum, in a place where it has little to no relevance at all. Why he posted that again here is pretty obvious to most on here.
Telling him he can't post is a step too far but at the same time I don't think posting to derail a thread should be encouraged either.

Back to the rugger....I liked Marlers contribution around the field more than I usually do... he just felt like he was physically bigger and had more impact carrying. Perfectly likely that the stats don't bear this out. Most of the penalties were against Cole, not sure if that reflects Marler tightening up his act or Cole just being really really terrible..

Just to put you straight mate, I re-posted because I thought the other thread had ended and there was relevance, that relevance being England having won a below standard 6 Nations and my worries re the summer tour hammerings I fear we may suffer. Okay

 

[johnmac99]

So we can say what we want to other posters and by sticking a smiley face on the post it negates the comments, very amusing.

No, I'm not saying that and I had no idea that you could find anything detrimental in the meaning of what I posted.

You said you were 'happy to please' so I asked for something to please me, as a joke.

Obviously, I have touched a nerve which was not my intention. I have no problem with fans of different teams posting anywhere they want on the Forum as long as they have something useful to say, or it's harmless banter, which is what I thought I had posted.

I did not at any time tell anyone what to do and to be quite honest I'm amazed at the reaction on here to what was an insignificant comment.

 

[valley commando]

No, I'm not saying that and I had no idea that you could find anything detrimental in the meaning of what I posted.

You said you were 'happy to please' so I asked for something to please me, as a joke.

Obviously, I have touched a nerve which was not my intention. I have no problem with fans of different teams posting anywhere they want on the Forum as long as they have something useful to say, or it's harmless banter, which is what I thought I had posted.

I did not at any time tell anyone what to do and to be quite honest I'm amazed at the reaction on here to what was an insignificant comment.

Fair enough

 

[Ospreylian]

This seems like it's a bit of a nothing argument now.

Yes, this Six Nations was below the usual standard, I think most would agree on that. That doesn't, however, take anything away from England's slam. Any fan would be bathing in the glory and bragging rights of a grand slam if their country had just won one, I think that's part and parcel of supporting your home nation. What's the point otherwise? Wales didn't have the most scintillating tournament in 2013 until the final match against England, but the whole country forgot all that when the celebrations kicked off, and rightly so. Nobody is ever going to remember HOW a team won the tournament. The only thing that matters in international rugby is winning, and that's what England have done and they have done so in a way that was a bit more exciting than the rest of the teams.

Wales didn't win this tournament because they have a good defensive game but nowhere near good enough attack. England won because they are good at both right now.

Long story short, let England celebrate a bit. They haven't been allowed to for 13 years now

 

[jackass11]

I think its been a much stronger six nations than last year which i thought was much poorer, i think the teams benefited defensively from playing together in the world cup

Id give england 7.5 out of ten, ireland 5.5 wales 4, France 4 (as they gave a much better contest than wales) and scotland 3.5, Italy is a hard one as once they got injuries really fell of the pace

Moving forward England are by far the most exciting and hopefully should get to 8-9 rating next year, france i think have the most potential next as they actually have some talent in forwards and backs. Wales had the most settled side but have no world class potential youngsters coming through. Ireland have a few good forwards and backs emerging but like wales they are all about taking the ball into contact - thats exactly what england had been doing for 10 years with brad barrittt burgess etc hence and why they never won grand slams!

 

[yaboyjj]

We are both entitled to our opinions, however I still feel the standards have dropped in this 6N, maybe it's due to the WC I don't know. What I am sure of is I didn't enjoy any of our matches. For the tournament I would award England 5.5 out of 10, Wales 4.5, Ireland 4, France and Scotland 3 and Italy 2.

As for the summer England could maybe win 1 test at best against the weakest of the SH big 3, as to our chance against NZ zero. I don't know whether to admire your optimism or ask you what drugs your taking.

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So we can say what we want to other posters and by sticking a smiley face on the post it negates the comments, very amusing.

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Just to put you straight mate, I re-posted because I thought the other thread had ended and there was relevance, that relevance being England having won a below standard 6 Nations and my worries re the summer tour hammerings I fear we may suffer. Okay

Can you tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that Australia are the weakest of the big three? was it their appearance in the WC final.... or perhaps their rugby championship win last year....

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Can you tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that Australia are the weakest of the big three? was it their appearance in the WC final.... or perhaps their rugby championship win last year....

Or their 2nd place world ranking.

 

[Ospreylian]

Moving forward England are by far the most exciting and hopefully should get to 8-9 rating next year, france i think have the most potential next as they actually have some talent in forwards and backs. Wales had the most settled side but have no world class potential youngsters coming through. Ireland have a few good forwards and backs emerging but like wales they are all about taking the ball into contact - thats exactly what england had been doing for 10 years with brad barrittt burgess etc hence and why they never won grand slams!

Um..... Ahem

 

[jackass11]

U20 isnt world class potential, they need to play with the big boys

 

[Peat]

It's a fair point that Australia are probably stronger than South Africa at the moment.

It's also a fair point that this really hasn't been a vintage 6N. I'd agree with that whole-heartedly. I'd also say we've had some fairly large dollops of luck at times. I don't care too much - nothing could make me overly excited over 5 games so I look forwards to proving ourselves in the future whatever.

Marler - I thought Marler looked much the same as usual... but was disappointed in Vunipola's scrummaging and feel like he missed out on his big opportunity to overtake. Right now, Marler starting and Vunipola benching feels very much the right call.

p.s. Questions raised about moderation issues will be answered in PMs; not trying to hide anything, but I do want to return discussion here to rugby.

 

[MarkyH]

Maybe in a hopeless optimist but I don't think England are that far away from Australia in Rugby terms. SH rugby is clearly stronger, and they play nicer rugby. NZ are just insane and we just can't get one over SA whenever we play them (despite them being close games) but against the Aussies we do ok. VC and others here suggest we are a million miles behind them, yes they beat us at the WC but before that we had won 4 out of the previous 7 including a win Sydney. I'd argue that our team is stronger now to (admittedly so are the Aussies).

I still think it will be 2-1 to Australia, but it will be close, and it will go down to the final game... But England definitely won't embarrass themselves..