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munross
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Missed the match...How did Jaque Fourie do?and how did he and Roberts do as a center combo?
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Mr.cyclopede
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How explain the contrast of the NZ performance beetween today and last week ?
Found nice colective actions but no continuity, seems that Henry has to find serious options when Mc Caw and Carter are not on the field.
True that Baba's made the decision on Habana's interception (2nd try), but I've been seriously estonished to find the black's defense so oftenly broken the week after it has been so solid.
Greatly enjoyed Roberts
Found nice colective actions but no continuity, seems that Henry has to find serious options when Mc Caw and Carter are not on the field.
True that Baba's made the decision on Habana's interception (2nd try), but I've been seriously estonished to find the black's defense so oftenly broken the week after it has been so solid.
Greatly enjoyed Roberts
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Intercept King JdV @ Dec 6 2009, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
They worked nicely together sometimes. Roberts showed some great hands, Fourie almost broke through on a perfectly timed run. It helps when Giteau is distributing, but I thought du Preez's passing was not so fast or accurate.
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Bluemoon
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Great, great game. Not the full AB side but still - its an achievement to beat any all black side these days. Great Stuff.
Just goes to show that when Jamie Roberts has someone running off him, and vice versa, he can make a big difference.
Just goes to show that when Jamie Roberts has someone running off him, and vice versa, he can make a big difference.
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Bernard
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Was a nice match and a little revenge for SA players on the field regarding their average autumn tour . Though , it has been said , was not far from a AB B team so the result does not mean a lot .
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Ozzay
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Gatland is obviously not letting Jamie Roberts play like this.
He was good today.
Just like the Lions.
Ain't seen it for Wales tho!!
He was good today.
Just like the Lions.
Ain't seen it for Wales tho!!
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wertas
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In Wales center combination Shanklin is different type of player than O'Driscoll or Fourie and Roberts can't show his real impact on game. Very good game, but it seems that All Blacks without their best 15 or 18 players are very average team.
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Sneaki
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A pretty disappointing display from the second string team once again, there are several players who just did not step up at all.
Messam did nothing to prove his critics wrong today. Henry said that he made the sort of mistakes that lost games and based this game he still does. He just looks out of his depth in the AB's team and I think it's time they gave someone like Vito a chance.
The two first fives were both poor, we're really running out of time to find a backup for Carter. Delany might have been marginally better. Leonard wasn't too bad at halfback, but Weepu is still a much better option.
Mcalister looked a little better, he just needs a full season in the S14 to find his form again I think.
Guys like Ellison, Latimer, Eaton, Flynn and Crockett were all just invisible unfortunately.
The one player I was impressed with was Boric, who looks like a potential replacement for Thorn.
Messam did nothing to prove his critics wrong today. Henry said that he made the sort of mistakes that lost games and based this game he still does. He just looks out of his depth in the AB's team and I think it's time they gave someone like Vito a chance.
The two first fives were both poor, we're really running out of time to find a backup for Carter. Delany might have been marginally better. Leonard wasn't too bad at halfback, but Weepu is still a much better option.
Mcalister looked a little better, he just needs a full season in the S14 to find his form again I think.
Guys like Ellison, Latimer, Eaton, Flynn and Crockett were all just invisible unfortunately.
The one player I was impressed with was Boric, who looks like a potential replacement for Thorn.
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wertas @ Dec 6 2009, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
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feicarsinn
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Tad touchy are we Iversen?
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sneaki @ Dec 6 2009, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Messam is a serious player - what the fark was going on with him moved to the wing? Henry messing around, or was it forced on him? I didn't understand.
p.s. anyone hear Mallet's pre-match interview, when he started going on about Giteau has never played with Roberts who's never played with Fourie who's never played with Habana who's never played with ... The woman interviewer cracked up at the end: "I thought you were going to go through the whole team ... hahahaaaa!" Good laugh. Then Henry stepped up for interview and everyone got depressed! World class charm.
You have to go back many years to find a world class scrum half for the ABs. But of course, Carter is really all that matters ... especially when he's not there, like in the final stage of the France match in RWC 07, and the ABs start to huff and puff. That problem hasn't been fixed, and McAlister and Donald don't look like they've got a hope.
Messam is a serious player - what the fark was going on with him moved to the wing? Henry messing around, or was it forced on him? I didn't understand.
p.s. anyone hear Mallet's pre-match interview, when he started going on about Giteau has never played with Roberts who's never played with Fourie who's never played with Habana who's never played with ... The woman interviewer cracked up at the end: "I thought you were going to go through the whole team ... hahahaaaa!" Good laugh. Then Henry stepped up for interview and everyone got depressed! World class charm.
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wertas
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 6 2009, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
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You could have seen in the match with Italy how average second string are. With a better backline and proper refering scrum Italy should have won that game.
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
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You could have seen in the match with Italy how average second string are. With a better backline and proper refering scrum Italy should have won that game.
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Dec 6 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wertas @ Dec 6 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
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You could have seen in the match with Italy how average second string are. With a better backline and proper refering scrum Italy should have won that game.
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The scrum refereeing has since been proven that the italian prop was using illegal tactics and should've been carded. Paddy O'Brien may have gone too far, but basically said in public that Dickinson made some amazingly bad scrum calls against the All Blacks. Just thought that needed cleared up.
Very average team? So, you think perhaps they'd be beaten by other average teams? Like maybe Fiji, Italy, Scotland and Samoa perhaps? I'd like to see that.
Actually Scotland played a great game against Australia, but that took a far from average performance.
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You could have seen in the match with Italy how average second string are. With a better backline and proper refering scrum Italy should have won that game.
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The scrum refereeing has since been proven that the italian prop was using illegal tactics and should've been carded. Paddy O'Brien may have gone too far, but basically said in public that Dickinson made some amazingly bad scrum calls against the All Blacks. Just thought that needed cleared up.
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feicarsinn
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 5 2009, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
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They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
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They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Dec 6 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
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They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
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It's also one of the best barbarian sides I'd ever seen on paper before things had even kicked off. They played true to their reputations.
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
[/b][/quote]
They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
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It's also one of the best barbarian sides I'd ever seen on paper before things had even kicked off. They played true to their reputations.
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jawmalawm24
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Didn't get to watch the game was staying at the river catching eels, herrings and trouts. Anyway sounds like it was a pretty good game even thou we lost. I wasn't expecting too much out of the All Blacks but they could of at least put something together because by the sounds of it they played craphouse.
Can't wait to see the replay Habana's always been a favourtie player of mine and it's always awesome to see him skoot off down the leaving everyone in his dust. I heard there the All Blacks had a player missing only 14 played and Donald played for the other side and ended giving the Baabaa's a intercept try or something?
Anyway I think it's a good result who cares if the All Blacks might not have taken it serious a wins still a win and especially against the All Blacks are always hard fought for well done the Baabaa's.
Can't wait to see the replay Habana's always been a favourtie player of mine and it's always awesome to see him skoot off down the leaving everyone in his dust. I heard there the All Blacks had a player missing only 14 played and Donald played for the other side and ended giving the Baabaa's a intercept try or something?
Anyway I think it's a good result who cares if the All Blacks might not have taken it serious a wins still a win and especially against the All Blacks are always hard fought for well done the Baabaa's.
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gingergenius
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Great game of rugby but very odd too, because almost every game I've enjoyed over the past few years has bee because of its intensity rather than moments of attacking flair. Maybe it's because the crowd wasn't up for it.
New Zealand, as we all know, aren't the side they were 2004-7. Their B team then could have beaten anyone.
What is evident is that they really rely on the world's 2 best players, and the best players in their position of all time - Carter and McCaw.
Leonard and Donald are really poor and Cowan's only impact seems to be starting every fight; I'd make a strong case for 3 of NZ's 4 strongest halfbacks being Europe-based.
On the upside for NZ, Corey Jane still managed to look very impressive.
Baa Baas - I could watch Giteau play all day long, no change there. I think Jamie Roberts' performance just goes to show how classy Jaques Fourie and BOD are, and how Shanklin is not. Can't have been too much of a problem playing of Gits either. Habana played like he was playing in 2007. Great stuff.
All in all, this autumn has had a few massive positives for rugby union, and the biggest are the tradtions of having club vs. country matches and the end of year Barbarians game.
New Zealand, as we all know, aren't the side they were 2004-7. Their B team then could have beaten anyone.
What is evident is that they really rely on the world's 2 best players, and the best players in their position of all time - Carter and McCaw.
Leonard and Donald are really poor and Cowan's only impact seems to be starting every fight; I'd make a strong case for 3 of NZ's 4 strongest halfbacks being Europe-based.
On the upside for NZ, Corey Jane still managed to look very impressive.
Baa Baas - I could watch Giteau play all day long, no change there. I think Jamie Roberts' performance just goes to show how classy Jaques Fourie and BOD are, and how Shanklin is not. Can't have been too much of a problem playing of Gits either. Habana played like he was playing in 2007. Great stuff.
All in all, this autumn has had a few massive positives for rugby union, and the biggest are the tradtions of having club vs. country matches and the end of year Barbarians game.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 6 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
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They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
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It's also one of the best barbarian sides I'd ever seen on paper before things had even kicked off. They played true to their reputations.
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But with no Irish, French or English players? Consistency, please.
Big worry for the ABs that they got fairly screwed in the scrum, and only survived in the lineout because of a dozen crooked throws.
Anyway, Habana wasn't MOM - that should have gone to Burger, another Saffer who can play manic rugby if he's not under a SA coach. Plus the uncapped prop from SA showed he has top international quality. Good day for all three players.
Not at all. I just thought it was an average comment.
The All Blacks "second string" side is about on a par with Wales and Argentina at least and would probably win slightly more than they'd lose against those sides. It's not like I'm saying anything ridiculous like they'd beat the French, Irish or even the English who for some reason we struggle with no matter what side they field. The sides I'm talking about are decent sides, not average.
We're here to discuss and debate our points of view, so just running with my opinion, lol. :lol:
[/b][/quote]
They might well beat us. Unlike the French, we seem to be unable to deal with a team in Black, whatever the quality. That said, very rarely are we in a position to beat New Zealand but the few chances we get we seem to throw away. Hopefully Deccie will hammer this out of the lads.
Anyway a good game. Nice to see Habana play with a team that doesn't hate giving him the ball and I reckon we've just seen proof that Roberts needs a seriously good player outside hime to function. The Baabaas are more relevant than ever in the current climate of kick and chase so it is nice to see them claim a famous victory.
[/b][/quote]
It's also one of the best barbarian sides I'd ever seen on paper before things had even kicked off. They played true to their reputations.
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But with no Irish, French or English players? Consistency, please.
Big worry for the ABs that they got fairly screwed in the scrum, and only survived in the lineout because of a dozen crooked throws.
Anyway, Habana wasn't MOM - that should have gone to Burger, another Saffer who can play manic rugby if he's not under a SA coach. Plus the uncapped prop from SA showed he has top international quality. Good day for all three players.
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Nickdnz
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haj @ Dec 6 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
These kinds of comments make you sound pretty dumb.
...And Gregan was such a modest, wonderful character?
These kinds of comments make you sound pretty dumb.
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