A Political Thread

[Gavin]

The epitomy of Brexiters can be seen in the TUV (Traditionalist Unionist Voice) leader, Jim Allister, from Northern Ireland.

Today on the radio he said that the EU need to stop being belligerent and that if the hard border happened it would be because of Ireland and that the UK would not be erected any border. When questioned about the Brexit view of 'taking back control of our borders and immigration' he fobbed it off as BBC propaganda.

When he was challenged on tariffs into the EU from UK as the UK would now be classed as a third country, he claimed the economist challenging him was biased and hanging up against him because he was clearly a Remainer.

Though we must remember to take what Jim Allister says with a pinch of salt. In June 2019 he had a go at Sainsburys for flying the LGBTQ+ flag as he claimed it 'isolated Christian's in Northern Ireland'

He also said it "repudiated the legitimate opposition to such and offending those who hold to traditional marriage, including any such employees, who now have an alien alignment foisted upon them"

https://amp-belfasttelegraph-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sainsburys-proud-to-fly-pride-colours-in-northern-ireland-after-jim-allister-claims-christians-isolated-38251371.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ==#aoh=15664678100032&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sainsburys-proud-to-fly-pride-colours-in-northern-ireland-after-jim-allister-claims-christians-isolated-38251371.html

Remind me again why the UK would want anything to do with NI, we cause more trouble than we are worth.

It also appears that Brexiters believe that the UK is much more important than we actually are and they other countries should bend to the demands.

 

[Gavin]

Ireland have confirmed that customs checks will occur at the ports and factories in the event of a no deal

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...s-and-controls-away-from-border-38424854.html

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Boris should try it, might have an epiphany...

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Johnson, with his abhorrence for the backstop, did not take seriously enough the risk of reigniting the conflict in Northern Ireland, Macron implied. "There are still families whose children, brothers and sisters died in this conflict," he said.

"To think of reviving that, because it suits us, would be irresponsible. I consider that Irish peace is European peace. We must not allow it to be threatened by a political and institutional crisis in Britain."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ir...rom-macron-on-the-troubles-1.3995320?mode=amp

Good man chef!

 

[Gavin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49464546

Israel has struck Iranian military sites in Syria to prevent what it said was a pending drone strike by Iran.

Israel's military rarely acknowledges operations in Syria, but it claimed on Saturday its strikes had prevented an attack on Israel "using killer drones".

PM Benjamin Netanyahu hailed his military's "major operational effort".

Israel is believed to have carried out hundreds of strikes in Syria since civil war broke out there in 2011, to try to prevent Iran gaining a foothold.

I often wonder why Israel can attack other counties and there is no clear condemnation from the majority of world leaders. Though I guess it helps that Trump has declared himself best mates with the Israel regime.

 

[McTallshort]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49464546



I often wonder why Israel can attack other counties and there is no clear condemnation from the majority of world leaders. Though I guess it helps that Trump has declared himself best mates with the Israel regime.

If they can prove that there was a threat to their nation then they are legally required to protect their country as its the first duty of any government. However if its found to be just naked aggression then they can be hit with sanctions etc

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why combat climate change when you can nuke storms instead?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...cane-nuking-idea-his-objective-is-not-bad?amp

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Why combat climate change when you can nuke storms instead?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/458767-official-on-trumps-hurricane-nuking-idea-his-objective-is-not-bad?amp

I despair at Trump, when I read stories like this. But I realise he is the symptom and not the main cause. To vote in an idiot like this to top office is reflective of those who put him there.

Yeah I know the electoral college vote is skewed to overrepresent those in the inner/rural states and swing states who put him into office, but still this is going to be the same system to be used for 2020. Unless Biden, Warren or Bernie turn this around and win next year, we have to put up with 4 more years of these totally idiotic ideas from Trump. And that's not to say if it is Biden he won't himself come out with his own faux pas.

A President who can spout utter nonsense and further diminish the office of President.

Then again they voted in Dubya for a second term.

 

[General Melchett]

I despair at Trump, when I read stories like this. But I realise he is the symptom and not the main cause. To vote in an idiot like this to top office is reflective of those who put him there.

Yeah I know the electoral college vote is skewed to overrepresent those in the inner/rural states and swing states who put him into office, but still this is going to be the same system to be used for 2020. Unless Biden, Warren or Bernie turn this around and win next year, we have to put up with 4 more years of these totally idiotic ideas from Trump. And that's not to say if it is Biden he won't himself come out with his own faux pas.

A President who can spout utter nonsense and further diminish the office of President.

Then again they voted in Dubya for a second term.

I think he's a shoe in for a second term. He's basically been on the campaign trail with his base since being elected with all these 'send them back' soundbites. He has also attended several rallies since being elected in order to maintain the support of his base. He's a showman/spoilt manchild who always wants the spotlight on him while his republican buddies are doing all the damage in the background with their intent to start trouble with Iran in order to keep their Israeli pals happy.

The UK has followed a similar path in that we have elected (granted BoJo only has a mandate from his party and not the public) someone who is not the best candidate to be President/PM but is considered to be the best campaigner / energiser with the best chance of winning an election. Farage is exactly the same. Would most likely make a terrible PM but is a born campaigner/energiser. A truly sad state of affairs.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Sadly this is one occasion the Simpsons got it wrong:

 

[Reiser99]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49473497

Boris is continuing to position himself to blame everyone other than himself and the government for when no deal happens. I wonder when he honestly realised that he was never going to get a better deal...

Honestly I don't see what is different other than actually threatening to go through with no deal and everyone predicted that it wouldn't work.

 

[General Melchett]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49473497

Boris is continuing to position himself to blame everyone other than himself and the government for when no deal happens. I wonder when he honestly realised that he was never going to get a better deal...

Honestly I don't see what is different other than actually threatening to go through with no deal and everyone predicted that it wouldn't work.

So many idiots buy the **** that Boris and Cummings serve up. Yesterday there was a headline with BoJo claiming that the BBC need to cough up for pensioners TV licenses. Making it seem like the BBC are screwing over pensioners and not the Government. Same during the referendum, making it seem like a choice between paying the EU or putting money into the NHS. Completely twisting things and blaming the other side.

 

[Reiser99]

So many idiots buy the **** that Boris and Cummings serve up. Yesterday there was a headline with BoJo claiming that the BBC need to cough up for pensioners TV licenses. Making it seem like the BBC are screwing over pensioners and not the Government. Same during the referendum, making it seem like a choice between paying the EU or putting money into the NHS. Completely twisting things and blaming the other side.

Well the BBC have themselves to blame for TV licenses. They could have kicked up a fuss and taken it away at the time then pinned it on the government. However by taking the deal and waiting they shot themselves in the foot. Yes it was the government, but the BBC's decision allowed them to successfully deflect it. If people can't read up about basic facts, they certainly won't care about this.

He's even copying Trump by getting his staff to say he is right, even when the proof shows he's wrong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-polit...is-johnson&link_location=live-reporting-story

 

[User1245]

Why combat climate change when you can nuke storms instead?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/458767-official-on-trumps-hurricane-nuking-idea-his-objective-is-not-bad?amp

Unnamed senior government official is the main source? Smells like fake news

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Unnamed senior government official is the main source? Smells like fake news

Too many idiotic comments seem to come from Trump. Okay we don't have him on tape saying this specifically, but I really wouldn't put it past him.

But we do have him on Climate Change:

 

[User1245]

Too many idiotic comments seem to come from Trump. Okay we don't have him on tape saying this specifically, but I really wouldn't put it past him.

But we do have him on Climate Change:

Come on, you know believing unsubstantiated claims is pernicious and just continues to divide the conversation. It's not constructive.

Saying there is not enough consistent and reliable information about a topic that has become highly politicised is in a different league to saying nukes should be dropped.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Come on, you know believing unsubstantiated claims is pernicious and just continues to divide the conversation. It's not constructive.

Saying there is not enough consistent and reliable information about a topic that has become highly politicised is in a different league to saying nukes should be dropped.

I think Trump's biggest tool he has brought is "Fake News". It makes us question any "bad" news story attributed to him.

Let's just say this story is not true. As you say unsubstantiated because it's just a Senior official.

But put against other utter idiotic and racist comments? Put guns in the hands of teachers, climate change is a hoax and Scientists have an agenda, Obama was not American and not eligible to be POTUS, calling for the death penalty in NYC light of the Central Park "rapists" to stir up tensions at the time and yet refusing to apologise when the accused were completely exonerated, the "go back" to where you come from, the fine people on both sides in light of the Charlottesville riots etc, etc, etc.

Yes, it is a pattern: he doesn't think what comes out of his mouth, he just goes ahead and says it; whether it's public or in private in front of other officials.


So, just using common sense. IMO yes, he could have said Nuke hurricanes. It is not beyond the realms of possibility considering what he has said before. Doesn't mean he would do it. That's why he surrounds himself with people to ignore him when he is at his most idiotic.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

******* hell, I didn't think they'd actually do it.

 

[Reiser99]

Apparently the government is actually going through with it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

This really would be the cherry on the cake. Ending up with no deal by suspending parliament thus avoiding any democratic debate.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Well that's put the cat right among the pigeons then.