A Political Thread

[TRF_Olyy]

Crossing my fingers and toes that the Queen just does Boris for treason when he asks her, and locks him away in the tower.

 

[Reiser99]

I know that politicians are worse than children, but this quote sums it up.

But Conservative Party Chairman James Cleverly defended the plan as what "all governments do".

 

[ncurd]

Sheer anger throwing the Queen in the middle and suspending parliament because a majority duly elected representatives think you'll do untold harm the country...

Yeah calling ourselves a democracy is a joke.

 

[Reiser99]

On a serious note, it might help the plans to stop no deal by prompting remain conservative MP's to side with Corbyn and co.

 

[ncurd]

On a serious note, it might help the plans to stop no deal by prompting remain conservative MP's to side with Corbyn and co.

They came up with a concerted one yesterday, legislate against no deal. That's why Boris has pressed the red button on our constitutional monarchy as he knew he couldn't force parliment to accept no deal.

 

[Which Tyler]

Nothing says "take back control" "regain democracy" or "Parliamentary sovereignty" quite like closing parliament and refusing democratic process.

Boris, you can **** right off with this, we're a democracy, not a dictatorship!

#StopBrexit #StopDictators #FuckBoris (with a rusty pitchfork)


Parliamentary petition to prevent
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

Do not prorogue Parliament
Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled.

 

[ncurd]

I've signed it but I'd prefer an option that if a deal is approved that would be allowed as well.

Not that I agree with Brexit but it should be absolutely clear in this case its about the attempt to stop parliament having a say on Brexit rather than stopping Brexit itself.

 

[Which Tyler]

I've signed it but I'd prefer an option that if a deal is approved that would be allowed as well.

Not that I agree with Brexit but it should be absolutely clear in this case its about the attempt to stop parliament having a say on Brexit rather than stopping Brexit itself.

Agreed

Meanwhile...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1166638377397039105

This battle between government and MPs, over how and whether we Brexit, is now massively, bloodily raging. A number 10 source told me: "If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week, then we'll stay in No10, we won't recommend any alternative government, we'll dissolve Parliament and have an election between 1-5 November -- and that means no time for legislation". Flippin' 'eck.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I've also signed. Along with 64,000 others and counting.

 

[User1245]

I think Trump's biggest tool he has brought is "Fake News". It makes us question any "bad" news story attributed to him.

On the contrary, the "fake news" is his best tool because they keep proving him right.

... the fine people on both sides in light of the Charlottesville riots etc, etc, etc.

Another source detailing the context: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ille-fine-people-neo-nazis-column/3588970002/

That's two things now that you believe he said that has no evidence or is a straight up lie. What else are you pinning your opinion on is either false or deliberately misrepresented?

So, just using common sense. IMO yes, he could have said Nuke hurricanes. It is not beyond the realms of possibility considering what he has said before.

That's the thing when you fast and loose with the truth. Either it matters what is true or it doesn't. You're free to hate the guy, he seems arrogant in many ways, and if you had him over for dinner he would probably insult one of your guests.

But to make concessions on standards you'd normally demand just to satisfy your confirmation bias kills discussion.
If you hate the guy no matter what, then all you're looking for is an echo chamber.

 

[McTallshort]

On a serious note, it might help the plans to stop no deal by prompting remain conservative MP's to side with Corbyn and co.

No Tories and most Lib dems wouldn't go near Corbyn. Had a more centre left leader been in place then there might have been a cross party solution.

Question has to be asked: if all these MPs are against a No Deal Brexit then what deal would they accept? 80% of MPs agreed to trigger Article 50 its would be good to understand what their end goal is

 

[ncurd]

No Tories and most Lib dems wouldn't go near Corbyn. Had a more centre left leader been in place then there might have been a cross party solution.

Question has to be asked: if all these MPs are against a No Deal Brexit then what deal would they accept? 80% of MPs agreed to trigger Article 50 its would be good to understand what their end goal is

Its an interesting point one has to ask Labour why they agreed to it only to immediately say they disagreed with the governments position and red lines. Which meant they'd vote anything down.

You also have to ask the hardliners the same sort of question stories were yesterday even if the backstop was removed they'd still object to May's deal....


Honestly the triggering of article 50 was an act of madness as they felt they had to be seen doing 'something' to implement the referendum. They had no clear goal or deal to be agreed upon if they did things be a lot better now. Instead we set off a ticking time bomb of which nobody agreed how to defuse said bomb and extremeists wanted let the bomb go off.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I've also signed. Along with 64,000 others and counting.

Over 100,000

 

[General Melchett]

Over 100,000

Sadly it'll make no difference. Blinkered Brexiteers will still say "But what about the 17.4m who voted to leave"

 

[ncurd]

Sadly it'll make no difference. Blinkered Brexiteers will still say "But what about the 17.4m who voted to leave"

I don't think any of these petitions have made a difference since they were bought in.

 

[Which Tyler]

Boris actively wants a GE doesn't he?
He wants one after halloween, so that Brexit is done and dusted (and there's no point voting for the BnP or UKIP) but as soon after, before the **** has fully hit the fan.
Fixed term parliament act means he can't just call one himself, and besides, he'd rather blame other people; so VONC is his best bet of getting it. He runs the risk that a GNU is put together, taking the timetables out of his hands; but that seems... very delicate, and even more so whilst everyone's throwing their hands up crying bloody murder, rather than sitting around and negotiating. This prodding for a VONC, and proroguing of parliament also pulls the teeth for any tactic beyond VONC.

So what would he prefer? A lost VONC (which he could very easily orchestrate is one is tabled) to force a GE, with himself in charge of the timetable; or to pull that trigger himself, trying to put together a 2/3 majoirty in parliament, with himself in charge of the timetable. I think, today, he has come down on the side of VONC - hence he's doing his best to provoke it.

 

[ncurd]

I think even if there is a GNU he can frame it as "evil romoaners stopped your no deal Brexit" I fail to see how he actually looses with his support base.

Of course everyone else sees it as the affront to democracy it is but that doesn't matter in the Trump/Johnson playbook.

 

[Which Tyler]

I think even if there is a GNU he can frame it as "evil romoaners stopped your no deal Brexit" I fail to see how he actually looses with his support base.

Of course everyone else sees it as the affront to democracy it is but that doesn't matter in the Banon/Cummings playbook.

FTFY

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Crossing my fingers and toes that the Queen just does Boris for treason when he asks her, and locks him away in the tower.

Nah, she's just agreed it. Off with their heads.

 

[ncurd]

Nah, she's just agreed it. Off with their heads.

She had to really, standard parliamentary procedure. Despite the politics around it there is no reason she can stop it.