A Political Thread

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah I just googled her and the top story was her apologising for lying to Parliament about Universal Credit.

Definitely sounds like a top tory

 

[General Melchett]

looking into the potential Tory candidates dear god.
Had no clue who Esther Mcvey was, but she reminds me of one of my friends mom who I had a thing for so peaked my interest.
Then saw her voting history.......

I watched her candidacy launch speech and was embarrassed for her. The delivery and tone of her speech was bad enough but listening to her claim that she'd push through with No deal just to give the ERG shower a boner was sickening.

It really is a woeful field. Mcvey, Javid, Hunt, BoJo & Rudd are all terrible prospects. I know people slate him for stabbing BoJo in the back (in some ways he did the country a favour by preventing BoJo the clown from becoming PM) but someone like Gove at least has the brainpower and political skills to try and navigate through this mess. I'd go for him or Matt Hancock who from all accounts has done a far better job as Health Secretary than Mike Hunt (sorry I meant Jeremy - I always confuse the two).

I reckon it will end up with a Brexiteer v Remainer as the final two and so probably BoJo or Raab v Mike Hunt.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Amongst all the Tory hooplah I didn't hear anything about Vince Cable announcing he's stepping down.

I've no love for the Lib Dems, but cutting all ties to the coalition bunch is the best way to show they're a different party to that of 2010 and could go a long way in building bridges with a generation who vowed never to vote for them again.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Showing your agenda a bit now.

No, I am not a socialist and no I don't have an agenda. Just saying Owen Jones words aren't that damning on Theresa when he is an out and out socialist who detests any Tory PM and is going to judge any Tory PM badly, by his criteria. He's just showing his bias just like any other political commentator.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

No, I am not a socialist and no I don't have an agenda. Just saying Owen Jones words aren't that damning on Theresa when he is an out and out socialist who detests any Tory PM and is going to judge any Tory PM badly, by his criteria. He's just showing his bias just like any other political commentator.

Except it wasn't bias, all the things he said ACTUALLY happened (or didn't happen if that was the criticism). Seriously, May has done so much harm to the country as home secretary and then PM. She has been arrogant and stubborn and now we are supposed to feel sorry for her for a hole she has played a significant part in digging herself into? She's had a nice salary, is going to get a hefty pension but we should feel sorry because she blubbed for a few seconds after being forced to leave after royally ******* up one of the most important decisions in recent British history? Add that to keeping on a bunch of incompetents such as failing Chris Failing. No. Frankly I think more people should be going ding dong the witch is gone.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Except it wasn't bias, all the things he said ACTUALLY happened (or didn't happen if that was the criticism). Seriously, May has done so much harm to the country as home secretary and then PM. She has been arrogant and stubborn and now we are supposed to feel sorry for her for a hole she has played a significant part in digging herself into? She's had a nice salary, is going to get a hefty pension but we should feel sorry because she blubbed for a few seconds after being forced to leave after royally ******* up one of the most important decisions in recent British history? Add that to keeping on a bunch of incompetents such as failing Chris Failing. No. Frankly I think more people should be going ding dong the witch is gone.

Not saying he was wrong just saying Owen Jones is not the Doyen of political commentators whose words are going to rub salt in the wounds; it is to be expected from him. He is just one of many scathing of May's premiership. Had it say come from Cameron or one of her own close aides then that would be "murder" by words as someone posted above or certainly had a much bigger impact on her personally. Geoffrey Howe's scathing criticism of Thatcher in Parliament, which contributed to her downfall it was not.

 

[Aristodemus]

First signs are that the Brexit party have absolutely dominated these polls tonight.

 

[Reiser99]

First signs are that the Brexit party have absolutely dominated these polls tonight.

I wouldn't say dominated. Definitely winning clearly ,but 31/32% is pretty similar to Lib Dems and Greens combined. As suspected leave voters have voted the same way, where as Remain has been split. If you want to view it as an indication of a second referendum then it's still pretty evenly split.

 

[Reiser99]

Also looking at the changes it seems like Brexit Party is gained less than Conservatives and Ukip have lost combined, which means those votes have gone elsewhere.

 

[Which Tyler]

Yeah, Brexit have dominated, but they were always going to, they really should have UKIPs 27.3% from pat time, + disaffected Tories and anti-EU labourites.

As far as pro Vs anti EU, it's really Brexit+UKIP Vs LibDem+Green+SNP+PlaidCyrmu+CHUK
Currently, I make that 1,495,500 Vs 1,650,600

 

[Reiser99]

Biggest issue with determining if this is better for remain or leave is that nobody knows what a vote for labour means. Most party members are remain, but the party's policies are completely muddled.

 

[Which Tyler]

That's why I'm ignoring both main parties when booking it down to a single issue

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The obvious thing is the right is unified whereas the left is not.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Plus point is Lib Dems could well be relevant again.

 

[Gavin]

Not really surprising really.

UKIP and Conservative Brexit supporters going to Brexit Party

Labour and Conservative Remain supporters going to Liberal Democrats and Greens

Surprisingly Change UK is not doing as well as expected.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Corbyn losing Islington is delicious though

 

[Which Tyler]

Halfway-ish. 182/373

Brx: 31.0%
LD: 20.9%
Lab: 14.6%
Grn: 12.3%
Con: 8.8%
SNP+PC: 3.8%


Pro-Brexit: 3.92M
Anti-Brexit: 4.66M

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If we pull off a miracle and stay in the EU we're gonna have so many brexit party MEPs doing their best to **** up the EU as much as possible

 

[Reiser99]

Maybe I'm reading the results but I think remain parties have gained more than leave parties. Issue is the split vote might cost remain parties MEP's as it has in Wales apparently. I hope ChangeUK, disappear because their targeting of Lib Dem voters has shown they are another selfish greedy party. Heidi Allen tried to imply that it was a shared blame, but for me it's mainly on ChangeUK refusing to work with Lib Dems and Greens.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Aproaching halfway. 170/373

Brx: 31.0%

LD: 21.0%

Lab: 14.8%

Grn: 12.4%

Con: 8.7%

SNP+PC: 3.6%


Pro-Brexit: 3.75M

Anti-Brexit: 4.45M

But the Anti-Brexit vote fragmented between too many parties. Need for Change UK to join Lib Dems. And even the Greens to also join Lib Dems to unite under one message of remain in the EU. It's clear the vote is polarised between Brexit - via no deal and those who want to remain.