A Political Thread

[TRF_Olyy]

I love the irony of May getting into bed with the DUP to cling onto power only for them to be ******* over her Brexit plans now

 

[General Melchett]

May has basically botched up the whole process by having a snap election and then running down the clock.

What disgusts me is that she is now only concerned about her own legacy i.e. delivering Brexit no matter what the consequences are and I am also disgusted at how Boris and the ERG are now backing the deal after she confirmed her departure even though the substance is the same. I really hope this shower are taught a lesson at the next election.

I also recall how hoards of Tories were signing up to become Labour party members purely to vote in Corbyn as leader. There was a surge of new members before the leadership contest just so they could vote in a useless leftie who would be less of a threat.

 

[Amiga500]

 

[General Melchett]

I'm actually thinking that the best way forward could be the following:

1. Long extension if MV3 gets voted down
2. Vote in Corbyn at a probable snap General Election out of protest against Tory scum
3. Let Corbyn make a complete arse of his Brexit negotiations and demonstrate what a terrible PM he is on the world stage
4. Find a way to oust Corbyn after a year and replace him with someone less useless who will support a people's vote by which time people are even more sick of the whole process

 

[Amiga500]

Starmer? Benn?

Can't really think of any other high profile Labour MP that might command a bit of respect.

 

[ncurd]

Yvette Cooper is another

God the odd checker on that race is depressing.

The Tory one is even worse mind have to get all the way down to 33/1 to get Rudd then 50/1 for Hammond

 

[General Melchett]

Starmer? Benn?

Can't really think of any other high profile Labour MP that might command a bit of respect.

Starmer speaks a lot more sense than Corbyn and is more pro people's vote. Either him or Yvette Cooper.

 

[General Melchett]

Yvette Cooper is another

God the odd checker on that race is depressing.

The Tory one is even worse mind have to get all the way down to 33/1 to get Rudd then 50/1 for Hammond

Saw on Skynews that if the Tory contest results in a final two going to the membership, Boris will walk it.

The only way to avoid that is to have another coronation decided by MPs where the last one drops out, like Leadsom did when May won. Boris is not that popular among MPs (apart from the ERG) and so there might be tactical voting to make sure he doesn't make the final two.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Starmer speaks a lot more sense than Corbyn and is more pro people's vote. Either him or Yvette Cooper.

Starmer would be my choice, by far

Don't think he wants the job though (which is probably a good thing as he's not some power hungry grub)

 

[Amiga500]

The Tory one is even worse mind have to get all the way down to 33/1 to get Rudd then 50/1 for Hammond

Wouldn't have Rudd.

Might entertain the thought of Hunt in charge. No problems with spreadsheetPhil. Seems to be a more softly spoken man that get things done compared to most of the loudmouths.

 

[General Melchett]

Wouldn't have Rudd.

Might entertain the thought of Hunt in charge.

Hunt carries himself well but what I don't like about him is that he was a Remainer during the referendum and suddenly became a staunch Brexiteer after the result. I think it has to be someone who hasn't done any such U turns.

I don't know if the party will tolerate another Remainer in charge. I have a feeling it'll be Gove or Boris. If MPs want to avoid Boris then they would probably need to engineer a Gove v Remainer in the final two.

 

[Amiga500]

A parliament with Benn and Hammond at both dispatch boxes would actually be something I'd like to see.

Both of them appear to have the attitude of "how can things be improved" rather than "your ideas are crap and you must be incompetent as a result".

 

[Amiga500]

Hunt carries himself well but what I don't like about him is that he was a Remainer during the referendum and suddenly became a staunch Brexiteer after the result. I think it has to be someone who hasn't done any such U turns.

I don't know if the party will tolerate another Remainer in charge. I have a feeling it'll be Gove or Boris.

I don't mind someone changing their mind if new evidence comes to light - in fact - I'd rather that than someone who only digs deeper. Its something the media and people should probably respect a bit more.

But, evidence with Brexit is only pointing to one logical conclusion; which would be moving from a hardline brexit to a soft or even no brexit. Thus, going the other way really does count against - as its both indication of lack of rationalism and an indication of opportunism.

In light of this new information - I'm gonna do a U-turn and change my mind.

Hunt is out of the hunt for leader!

 

[ncurd]

Boris is not hugely popular in the ERG currently for breaking ranks over May's deal now shes going to resign. I still think he'd struggle to get past MP's.

Hunt well I know the Tories hate the NHS but if they seriously want nobody in the organisation to ever vote Tory they could select him. Still he's out so good.

 

[General Melchett]

I don't mind someone changing their mind if new evidence comes to light - in fact - I'd rather that than someone who only digs deeper. Its something the media and people should probably respect a bit more.

But, evidence with Brexit is only pointing to one logical conclusion; which would be moving from a hardline brexit to a soft or even no brexit. Thus, going the other way really does count against - as its both indication of lack of rationalism and an indication of opportunism.

In light of this new information - I'm gonna do a U-turn and change my mind.

Hunt is out of the hunt for leader!

Agreed. Although leaders can be viewed as weak if they are seen to be constantly chopping and changing their mind, it is admirable when on rare occasions they change their position based on new facts or information and the change is for the benefit of the people they represent.

What is not admirable is when politicians change their position and do a U turn purely for the purposes of personal gain i.e. furthering their own political career. These cases are usually easy to spot e.g. Hunt after the referendum result and more recently Boris and JRM after May announced she would leave.

 

[General Melchett]

Boris is not hugely popular in the ERG currently for breaking ranks over May's deal now shes going to resign. I still think he'd struggle to get past MP's.

Hunt well I know the Tories hate the NHS but if they seriously want nobody in the organisation to ever vote Tory they could select him. Still he's out so good.

I read that the new Health Secretary Matt Hancock is doing a much better job than Hunt did. I have a feeling that Hunt would just be another David Cameron - polished in the media but not much substance or ability.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I have a feeling that Hunt would just be another.....

.....complete booby trap for radio presenters.

So it's MV 2.5 The Bradley tweet Amiga posted is brilliant, but a close runner up is the one saying that May fell on her sword and missed.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Happy non Brexit day everyone.

 

[ncurd]

Think the WA vote will be tight,

Personal opinion despite Brexit being a horror show, I think it still amount to no deal. It just means we've agreed terms of leaving the future relationship is not established and that is the problem.

 

[ncurd]

Also Tiggers have not appiled to become a real political party called Change UK.....should of kept tiggers.