A Political Thread

[Which Tyler]

I believe its an open ballot...

Fair enough, I'd thought no names attached to the pieces of paper. Dunno where I got that from though, so may well have invented it.

 

[ncurd]

Indicitive Votes now on

Motions B, D, H, J, K, L, M, O have been selected I thought it was 6.

 

[ncurd]

Some may not be moved.....god I'm getting obsessed watching BBC Parliament

 

[ncurd]

Interestingly I believe apart from the Corbyn, EU already poo poo'd plan I think the speaker has selected everything the EU could conceivably agree to.

 

[Amiga500]

Yeah just read that. Corbyn and co just showing their true colours really.

I swear to f**k I could do a better job than any one of them in my sleep (either Tory/Labour).

Only problem would be stopping me from ripping their heads off for their lies and stupidity and playing "the game".

If the media wonder why we get a pack of incompetents in Westminster - then they have to look at themselves in the mirror for trying to create mountains out of molehills and chase down every insignificant bit of possible controversy and blowing it up into a big sensation - essentially running from one politician to the other with an "he said, she said" approach.


If I'd been elected PM instead of May (and I'm not a Tory).

1. Outline from the get-go that there will be a confirmation referendum for the people as to whether they want whatever deal is agreed to be passed into law.
2. My party will not be whipping votes on any of the motions presented during Brexit and I expect all other parties to do the same.
3. Indicative votes in Commons on a series of possible options for going to the EU.
4. Appoint cross-party group to manage negotiations.
5. On every big fork in the road coming back from EU negotiations, take it to parliament to see which they want.
6. Present deal to the people in 2 question referendum (1: this deal/ not this deal), (2: leave with no deal/remain).
7. If answer to Q1 is this deal, pass into law. If not, whatever the answer to Q2 is.


I'm now also of the opinion that, as a matter of course, the government should release control of motions to the house at least once a month. Its good to have alternative concerns presented.

Furthermore, I am in favour of breaking the whip system - just not sure of a better alternative right now.

 

[Amiga500]

Good man Bercow.

Meanwhile, Maybot's response:

 

[ncurd]

I don't agree with many things these parliamentarians are saying but I get the genuine belief they want to form a consensus and not be shouted down by the government and be at the shackles of the ERG & DUP.

 

[ncurd]

Barclay 'May deal or nothing!'

Cheers for that.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Boris apparently smiling broadky knowing may will be leaving and that he can use the biggest decision in recent history fit this country to further his own goal of being pm. I hope that arrogant **** gets nowhere near the job, or jrm.

 

[Reiser99]

One thing that MP's keep saying is about uniting the country. I honestly think that is impossible and there is no solution that will not leave a large proportion of the electorate very unhappy.

 

[General Melchett]

So Boris and the other ERG tossers now backing her deal after she coincidentally confirms she'll leave after the deal is through. It's utterly staggering how this selfish politicians are using Brexit to further their own personal careers and agendas. They couldn't give a monkey's about the country and it's people. National interest my arse.

Yet they claim it would be constitutionally unacceptable to go to the people for a confirmatory vote.

 

[General Melchett]

When a medium to large company needs to spend money it must first authorise the expenditure by way of a signed purchase order which is sent to the supplier (let's call this the 2016 referendum). After it receives an invoice and before it pays the supplier, it then performs a second check to ensure that the goods or services that they ordered were received exactly in line with the order. This is exactly what the confirmatory vote would represent. How TF is this undemocratic.

And yet we have a shower of shite Tories like Boris running around Parliament trying to look after their own careers and agendas.

 

[Which Tyler]

One thing that MP's keep saying is about uniting the country. I honestly think that is impossible and there is no solution that will not leave a large proportion of the electorate very unhappy.

The best bet for that is a 2nd referendum. If that gets a 2/3 majority for any option, people have a decent chance of moving on.
Of course, it's still more likely to increase divisions, but nothing else has any hope whatsoever.

 

[Amiga500]

I don't often agree with the DUP, but their rationale here is spot on:

However, a DUP party source told BBC News NI's political editor Mark Devenport that "prime ministers come and go" and that the trade and constitutional issues affected by the withdrawal agreement "live on".

How the f**k does a bad deal that they wouldn't touch become supportable because essentially the name of the author on the front got changed?

Beyond hypocritical.

And yet they wonder why people hold them in such contempt?


If the substance wasn't good enough last week - it isn't f**king good enough next week - regardless of what happens over the weekend.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Got to agree. May going is just a matter of when and not if now. But the deal is still the same and should again be rejected by Parliament. The substance is still the same and if the ERG and DUP vote for it then it is beyond hypocrisy as there is no merit and reasoning for them to vote for it. I would have even less respect for them if they caved in now.

 

[General Melchett]

DUP confirming that they still won't support May's deal. Looks like MV3 is dead.

 

[Reiser99]

And none of the votes got a majority so we are basically exactly in the same place where no one can agree on anything.

 

[Amiga500]

And the indicative votes would indicate the only possible runner for any deal that might be carried in the commons is something that has the starting point of a customs union - and tweaks off it (probably moving away from closer integration than towards).

Well... they also indicate that the MPs couldn't agree on the colour of sh!te - and that there are 295 c**ts as MPs that do not believe in the opinion of the electorate.

 

[ncurd]

Don't know why people are saying these indicative votes are a shambles. A deal which involves the customs union with a referendum is clearly what has the most support. Just do that agree to put it through regardless even if you didn't vote for just accept it as the will of parliament.

Hell people are willing to change their mind if May resigns. At least that decision would have more integrity.

 

[Reiser99]

I think if this was done two years ago then fine. However at this point a decision needs to be made in some form. Either being no deal/deal/longer extension/public vote/revoke. Something needs to be decided on clearly and there doesn't seem to be anything that will quickly. The Customs Union plan has the most votes, but it is not clear if would actually vote for it once the deal with the E.U. was done. I don't see enough conservatives moving across to actually make it happen.