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Latest on petitions signed by 5.6 million people, we acknowledge you but we still are not listening much like we are not listening to parliament.
Government responded
This response was given on 26 March 2019
This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.
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It remains the Government's firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.
The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.
British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.
This Government stands by this commitment.
Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause "potentially irreparable damage to public trust", and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.
Department for Exiting the European Union.
 
i think a second referendum seems fair , albeit disruptive
Yup, it's the only realistic way out of this mess.
Not that realism has had much of a say in global politics for the last 3-4 years (no comment going further back than that)
 
the argument will be on both sides ...........those against it say no its been voted on leave means leave....the opponents say lets do it again everyone was lied too
everyone always lied too at elections
BUT 3 years later , things have moved on, we know way way more....the question is what would a reefrendum ask?

I think maybe the referendum should be

choose 1) parliaments final exit plan. whatever that finally ends up being
or
2) Remain

Isnt that fair? we have tried all variables and ended up with this choice
 
i think a second referendum seems fair , albeit disruptive

Look - if you walked into a car dealers to buy a motor - and the dealer said the manufacturer were designing a new one but its 2 years away - would you be happy signing the dotted line for a vehicle that you didn't know:

- how many seats it had
- how many miles to the gallon it did
- even what fuel it used
- how quick it was
- what colour it was
- and how much it cost

without being able to come back in 2 years time and actually see what you are considering buying before confirming whether you want it and handing over your money?


I cannot understand the mindset where a second referendum on whether people want to confirm that the deal negotiated is one they are happy to accept is considered undemocratic. Its not undemocratic - furthermore its blatant common sense!

A 3 question referendum:

1. Are you happy to exit the EU with the deal negotiated?
Yes/No.

2. Irrespective of your answer to the above, do you want the government to attempt the following
Stay in EU/Leave with No deal/New negotiated Leave

3. Irrespective of your answer to the above, what kind of Brexit would you most like to see:
Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit with no customs union, Brexit with Customs union


Question 3 could be swapped out for a load of boxes to be ticked on things like customs, fisheries, agri, immigration etc. The ensuing cocktail probably wouldn't all be deliverable - but they could priorities the ones that the public most want. Properly gauging the "will of the people" instead of Robo Maybe making it up as she goes along.
 
id just have 2 options
parliaments final deal or remain
What Oly said I've been arguing this for close to 3 years now. I think I said kn this thread the day after the referendum we'll need a second one on detail.
 
I don't understand why they can't just come out and admit that the first vote was a blind and uninformed choice. Every man and his dog can see that Brexit is only being defined now.

What will cause irreparable damage to our democracy is being hell bent on enforcing the result of a flawed and uninformed vote for the purposes of furthering the careers of certain politicians. Going to the people is all the more valid when Parliament themselves are so divided and can't make any progress.
 
I don't understand why they can't just come out and admit that the first vote was a blind and uninformed choice. Every man and his dog can see that Brexit is only being defined now.

What will cause irreparable damage to our democracy is being hell bent on enforcing the result of a flawed and uninformed vote for the purposes of furthering the careers of certain politicians. Going to the people is all the more valid when Parliament themselves are so divided and can't make any progress.

It's simple, to admit that there were flaws in the first referendum undermines their position that the result is immutable and must be pushed through regardless. These people who shout loudest want it regardless because they believe based on emotion not on reason and don't care for any evidence to the contrary. For some reason they see leaving the E.U and harming themselves as sticking it to the establishment.
Forget voting for a fairer democratic system or voting for others apart from the two main parties. What I will never understand is why these people believe the E.U is terrible for them and yet they trust our politicians who have proven themselves to be completely incompetent.
 
What I will never understand is why these people believe the E.U is terrible for them and yet they trust our politicians who have proven themselves to be completely incompetent.

They have simply been sucked in by the 'siege mentality 'them and us' rhetoric spouted by the likes of Farage and JRM. Phrases like 'unelected bureaucrats in Brussels' and endless stats about immigration, how much the EU is draining from the British coffers and re-directing to those nasty foreigners hits home with many of our resident racists and xenophobes.
 
My main issue with the second referendum is the implication that people are informed now and are voting on the deal. No, they won't be voting on the deal because most people know absolutely nothing about it except what they are told. Please see previous comments about ignorant people being misled...

Let's be honest, a 2nd referendum would again be decided based largely on emotion, the majority of the electorate will know next to nothing about the deal and most people will again vote on a gut instinct of whether leaving the EU seems like a good idea or not. Remain are hoping the the years of uncertainty, incompetence and difficulty with the whole Brexit process will have changed people's gut feeling but I don't think anyone can honestly say that the electorate are actually any better informed now, more we just have a better idea which lies were lies from the previous attempt. Doesn't mean people won't fall for new lies.
 
My main issue with the second referendum is the implication that people are informed now and are voting on the deal.

Absolutely informed about every detail? Of course not.

More informed about the broad brush-stroke real effects of a Brexit - absolutely.
 
Absolutely informed about every detail? Of course not.

More informed about the broad brush-stroke real effects of a Brexit - absolutely.

VERY broad brush. Literally the only thing I think most of the electorate have learned is that the EU would not give us everything we wanted as was claimed, we would not have countries lining up begging for trade deals and a no deal seems the most likely outcome. With regards to how the Irish backstop would work, the legal status of EU nationals in the UK, future rules on working in the EU, the status of trade with the EU, future participation in EU projects, the influence of the ECJ and EU law on us, the state of financial commitments to the EU, agreements about numbers of EU nationals as immigrants, the future of EU students studying here, the plans for a continued convergence or divergence of regulations, real knowledge about the future locations of company HQs in the UK, our participation in EU military affairs and military structure etc etc I'm pretty sure the electorate as a whole know absolutely nothing about.

As I said, we wouldn't vote on the contents of the deal because nobody knows what it entails. It would be a gut feeling devoid of any real factual information or analysis for the vast majority I feel.
 
@ragerancher allmofmwhichngoes tomshownthat referendums are terriblenways tondecide anything.
However, itsnalso the only way outnofnthis mess, and standsnthe very best chancenof bringing the country back together again - albeit a very low chance.
A landslide victory for either side, and it's much easier to accept a loss?
People won't be truly properly informed, no, they never can be with any election; butntheyll be a hell of smooth better informed than they were before. The options will be reduced down to 2-3 categoric options,which can be explained in various levels of detail, and fact-checked (the lying won't stop).
However, people will known for sure that jobs will be lost, because they already have been they'll know fornsure that it's not going to be the easiest deal in history, they'll know fornsure that fears about supplies - food, medicines, components, whatever are genuine and not just "project fear"
There will be "leave means whatever you want it to mean" it'll be "leave means WTO terms" which can be explained or "leave means May's deal, which we've spent the last 6 months declaring as the worst of both worlds" which can be explained properly. One vote won't cover every eventuality from Norway+ through to No Deal?
Hopefully people would also take it more seriously, and no-one (well, there will always be some) would vote against the government line purely because they object to being asked. No-one should be interviewed afterwards saying "I didn't think my vote would actually MATTER"
 
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