A Political Thread

[McTallshort]

A snap general election

 

[General Melchett]

I may have a minor meltdown is May carries on this line about how the country coming together she sound like the ****ing execs in our company saying the complete opposite of what is actually happening in terms of culture. I've never know this country to be more divided.....

I'm really starting to dislike her. She is pushing this 'Global Britain' brand on one hand and yet wants to shut the borders and create a little Britain on the other. She has also declined to participate in the election TV debates and yet claims the country needs strong leadership. She's also overplaying the Westminster division and seems to think having anyone oppose or challenge her vision of Brexit is wrong. She strikes me as being a stubborn and power hungry coward.

 

[ncurd]

Sadly I think its a cynical ploy to grab at terrible growing undercurrent to debate in this country. For some reason we've decided that your are no longer allowed to oppose anything if your in the minority. Its the "you lost get over it" approach.

The reality tis this is a woman who said publically 5 times that she wouldn't hold a snap election but in the face of Labour worst polling data in God knows how long she knows she won't get this chance again. She'll look at history to what happened to Gordon Brown and has made a calculated move.

I mean I don't like the woman anyway but the cocept of it being for the good of the country is just utterly force. Its good for her control of her own party and the Lords.

God an effective opposition would destroy her.....

 

[General Melchett]

She has already made too many U-turns in her short reign which hardly demonstrates strong and decisive leadership. I also don't like the fact that she went MIA during the referendum while others at least had the courage to pick a side. Having such a big majority and a weak opposition is really not a healthy state of affairs. It looks like Corbyn is trying to do a Bernie Sanders but it's going to end in tears with a load of Labour seats going to the Tories and Lib Dems.

 

[ncurd]

Not to mention she was bloody lucky to keep her job as home secretary all those years.

One person had a silving lining at least it will 5 years until we have effective oposition to vote for rather than 8.....

I just don't know if Labour can find that person or if they exist sort of like a Blair 2.0. Corbyn left policies but looks and sounds the part whilst knowing how to or at very least willing to work with the media. I think a media savvy Corbyn would be a lot more successful with the general electorate.

Actually another narrative I hate it still blaming Labour for everything, the Conservative have been in power for the best part of a decade now. Why do they still insist on everything being in state being Labours fault?

 

[General Melchett]

Not to mention she was bloody lucky to keep her job as home secretary all those years.

One person had a silving lining at least it will 5 years until we have effective oposition to vote for rather than 8.....

I just don't know if Labour can find that person or if they exist sort of like a Blair 2.0. Corbyn left policies but looks and sounds the part whilst knowing how to or at very least willing to work with the media. I think a media savvy Corbyn would be a lot more successful with the general electorate.

Actually another narrative I hate it still blaming Labour for everything, the Conservative have been in power for the best part of a decade now. Why do they still insist on everything being in state being Labours fault?

This is why I don't bother voting anymore because our democracy is just a sham where we have gob****e politicians running around spouting nonsense and not being held to account. May calling a snap election now is like Anthony Joshua inviting Frank Bruno to challenge him for his heavyweight ***le. Just a cowardly farce.

 

[The Jones Boy]

I'm really starting to dislike her. She is pushing this 'Global Britain' brand on one hand and yet wants to shut the borders and create a little Britain on the other. She has also declined to participate in the election TV debates and yet claims the country needs strong leadership. She's also overplaying the Westminster division and seems to think having anyone oppose or challenge her vision of Brexit is wrong. She strikes me as being a stubborn and power hungry coward.

She is Maggie Thatcher reincarnated... when she looks in the mirror.

 

[General Melchett]

She is Maggie Thatcher reincarnated... when she looks in the mirror.

Thatcher would never have made so many U-turns this early on and would have eaten May for breakfast.

 

[The Jones Boy]

Thatcher would never have made so many U-turns this early on and would have eaten May for breakfast.

No doubt, but that doesn't stop May from 'thinking' she is the Iron lady reincarnated.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

The Communist party of Britain is saying that, for the first time since 1920, it is not fielding candidates in the general election. Instead it will be backing Labour. In a statement its general secretary Robert Griffiths said:

"In every general election since the formation of the CP in 1920, we have stood our own candidates, not least in 2015 when we fielded nine. Now, on this occasion, we will not contest any seats, although this does not signal any withdrawal from the electoral arena in the future.

We call for a Labour vote in every constituency across Britain, despite the reactionary views of numerous Labour party candidates. Communist party organisations will approach local Labour party bodies in their area with offers of practical campaigning assistance ...

The maximum possible Labour vote is necessary not only to secure the election of a Labour government. We also recognise that this election marks a further intensification of the left-right struggle within the labour movement and the Labour party. The higher the Labour vote and the number of Labour MPs elected, the more secure will be the position of Jeremy Corbyn and his left allies in the parliamentary Labour party.

Any reverses for Labour will be used as a pretext by the right-wing pro-EU, pro-NATO faction in the parliamentary Labour party and its trade union allies to launch yet another bid to remove Jeremy Corbyn and take the Labour party back to the neoliberal and pro-war policies of the past."

The Communist party’s decision to stand aside is unlikely to be of much use to Labour. According to the Guardian’s 2015 results charts, the party received just 275 votes across the whole of the UK in that election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/24/corbyn-may-farron-sturgeon

Well that's it then the Communist Party of Britain is endorsing Comrade Corbyn; he's bound to win it now. Although the party did receive a massive 275 votes in the last election.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/24/corbyn-may-farron-sturgeon

Well that's it then the Communist Party of Britain is endorsing Comrade Corbyn; he's bound to win it now. Although the party did receive a massive 275 votes in the last election.

Ha, yeah maybe not the biggest swing ever... however this is less about corbyn and more about principled opposition to the conservatives. The greens have already decided not to stand in order not to split the potential labour vote. It's completely the right thing to do.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Ha, yeah maybe not the biggest swing ever... however this is less about corbyn and more about principled opposition to the conservatives. The greens have already decided not to stand in order not to split the potential labour vote. It's completely the right thing to do.

I am reminded of Benjamin Disraeli's famous quote of: "Damn your Principles, stick to your party".

 

[ncurd]

I think this election will move us forward to an absolute two party state (which is odd as a few years ago the talk was of permenant coalitions which I'd prefer). The reality is the Tories don't represent the majority of the voting public (although combined with UKIP they possibly do) however due to stupidity of the FPTP system they are looking at a thumping majority in the house of commons.

The rejection of AV as a system means people need to vote for the least worst (in their opinion) option in their constiueycy to ensure the party they don't want to govern doesn't end up in power.....its actually quite sad when you think about. People can't express what they actually believe is close to them, this means people are not being properly represented.

 

[McTallshort]

This election has got me completely stumped. Im normally a right of centre voter but I am slightly unnerved about Teresa May and as a father with a young family I don't want to see funding cut further in schools and hospitals which I think will happen unless there is a credible opposition which currently we don't have.

Not voting for UKIP because that will just give the Tories more power to push their more extreme policies through.

Labour are an utter joke and I could never vote for Corbyn, he just doesnt represent anything I stand for and has shown himself to be utterly useless as a party leader.

SNP? Well obviously not.

So that leaves the Lib Dems who were destroyed in the last election but will possibly do better this time.

Really really don't know and no one is really convincing.

Hoping for a Con/Lib Dem coalition but given where they both are on Brexit that will never work.

Family ticket to Poland then.

 

[ncurd]

I have to say education is one that has me really worried (and wanting to start a family with a neice and nephew who are just starting thier education its probably the single most important issue to be beyond Brexit). It always appears to me that those who apllaud grammar school are merely those who benefitted from the system. Those tend to people who did well at their 11+ and then did well in the Grammar school (I've heard pretty bad stories from those who got tossed aside in grammar schools when they were at the bottom of those two).

To me the 11+ is fundamentally flawed, one it ony helps all rounders if your crap at one subject (for me it was English) but excel at others (Maths and Science) you might not be quite good enough. This means for the 5 years you get a 'worse' education despite being the great at some subjects.

Also I can't understand what's wrong with our current secondary modern education in this regard (there is much that can be changed like actually offer teachers competeive salaries, kids are going to get rubbish Computer Science lessons because being a teacher pays a lot less than being a practioner), students are still divided according to ability within those schools but it gives teachers greater flexibility of where to put them based on their actual ability. Also people who improve in a subject dramatically (like I did in English Lit as I was predicted a D before GCSE's and actually got B but that mainly had by getting an exceptional teacher in the last 2 years) can actually get the more complex lessons with little barrier to stop that.


I appreciate you can't find natural home many Labour supporters are having similar problems. They can't bring themselves to vote Corbyn but in equal measure despise Tory policy in general


I'd **** myself laughing if this entire thing blows up in May's face though through tactical voting.


Minor note: A coalition with Tories won't happen for more reasons than just Brexit. One Tim Farron has ruled it out (and with Labour), Two even if he rengged on that promise the entire Lib Dem membership has to vote us into the Coalition. After the last coalition shafted us majorilly with the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 being our only true victory of liberal policy. Of course we prevented leaving the EU and much of the Tory right going overboard as they have proven they would of done but people are still reluctant to give us credit for that as we propped up a Tory goverment in the first place. Apparently during a major worldwide financial crisis providing stable goverment (as opposed to what we would of had in a Labour/Lib minority coalition) was completely wrong. Also we should of had another election that year which I garuntee would of probably led to a Tory majority goverment quicker.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

So many tactical voting groups emerging. This election is going to exhaust everyone before it's properly started.

 

[ncurd]

So many tactical voting groups emerging. This election is going to exhaust everyone before it's properly started.

It's the general acceptance that its only way to stop the Tories from winning a majority or even just a significantly larger minority.

Basically the entire left (and even some center right) have all turned Welsh and instead of Anyone But England we have Anyone But Tory. It mainly is because instead of being a center-right party they were under Cameron and some of their previous leaders they've gone full on right (like Labour have gone full on left). This issue there is even centerists have a problem with that standpoint and see it as pretty damaging to the welfare state (Health and Education primarially) which the vast majority of this country benefits from (as everyone pretty much much sits on the left to center-left on these issues).

An example is actually on party policy I'm pretty close to Green, Labour, SNP and Lib Dem only my caring about certain issues changes who I vote for. However I'm furtherest away from the Tories (I agree with UKIP and the BNP more than I do Tory) so I'll be happy if any of those parties were in power technically.

Personally I hate it tactical voting should not be thing and the voting system should be far better at yielding a parliament that actually reflects the people of the UK. Currently the system only yield a parliament of largest minorities.

I tell you what if tactical voting is prevelant it could yield some very interesting (and odd results).

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I understand that but it's the sheer amount of them that are emerging that I think will be counter productive to them, near me I have already got flyers from 4 different groups all supporting the same thing basically.

ironic that Wales is polling Tories.


Oh god the amount of Polls that are going to be released daily.

This is going to feel so long.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Come on let's get back to the real issues of this election like WTF is a Mugwump?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Anyone from TRF at the Fyre Festival......