A Political Thread

[ncurd]

Yeah I'm not convinced that Labour coming up with post Brexit plans is a bad thing. How do they invasion it, what are they going to hold the government to account for on it?

They have an opportunity here if they wish to lead in public consciousness of what post Brexit Britain looks like. In turn make demands of the government of what they want from negation and see if gains traction with the people forcing the government's hand

By not even trying it looks like to me due to their wobbly stance on it they are avoiding the conversation alltogether.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Haven't seen any of he US debate but apparently Trump was really bad, like embarrassingly so.

It was awful Clinton won mainly due to Trump showing how thick he really is I mean I could of beaten him in the debate he did all the damage himself really, honestly how the republicans couldn't find someone better than him is really telling.

 

[ncurd]

This was always going to happen one on one, he benefitted in the Republican race by having a bunch of other guys to take on and could dodge a bullet. Under sustained scrutiny he was always always going to be shown wanting.

It's easy to attack other people it's a lot harder to be on the defensive and be pressed for the answers.

And the Republicans could of easially found someone better like Rubio but they were too busy trying to fight amongst themselves to be the alternative Trump candidate by the time one emereged (the equally terrible Cruz) it was all over. The field was way too large to mount a proper attack.

I'll place a bet there are better Democrats to pick from as well but none of them came into the running.

 

[Which Tyler]

Yeah I'm not convinced that Labour coming up with post Brexit plans is a bad thing. How do they invasion it, what are they going to hold the government to account for on it?

That's a very American Freudian slip there.

 

[smartcooky]

I find only one thing more frightening than the idea of Sarah Palin getting her hands on the nuclear codes, and keys.... and that is Donald Trump getting his hands on them!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I find only one thing more frightening than the idea of Sarah Palin getting her hands on the nuclear codes, and keys.... and that is Donald Trump getting his hands on them!

Not for me Trump has more to lose than Palin TBF.

Trump is arrogant but a lot of the things he is saying is to appeal to the idiots, I highly doubt he genuinely believes the majority of the stuff he says.

 

[Gavin]

It is unfortunate that neither Trump nor Clinton is a step forward for the USA.

I really dislike Clinton and her warmongering nature, but Trump is fueling more grassroots racism which is horrendous.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I am thinking if either of these two win they will be a one term president only. Surely the US can come up with less divisive candidates come 2020?

 

[j'nuh]

But to not address or discuss what Labour envisions our new relationship with Europe and how they want us to exit the EU just beggars belief and how they want to deal with Freedom of movement and immigration post Brexit. Between the TUs and constituency members they've managed to pick of the 8 fundamental issues to put on the agenda facing the UK as industrial strategy, Grammar schools and child refugees as more important issues to discuss than Brexit? WTF? Immigration isn't even in the top 8. So again the TU and members showing they are not reflective of the electorate.

It's all very well discussing Brexit in terms of employment rights and making up loss of funding in the regions, but I think it enables the leadership and especially Corbyn to dodge the main issue why the PLP turned on him after his performance in the EU referendum. So every time he and the leadership don't want to discuss an issue they are just gonna hide behind their members and the TU? Some kind of leadership and Government in waiting.

It's just not strategically worth it. What do Labour have to gain on offering a plan? In all likelihood, they will never get to use it, especially if Tories enact Article 50 next year. The Tories can simply use Labour's plan as political ammunition to distract from their own plan. I don't want Labour investing too heavily in a hypothetical never-used plan. I want them tearing the Tory plan apart, piece-by-piece. The point of opposition is to oppose. If a General Election comes around before Brexit happens, then that's the time to come up with a leaving-the-EU plan.

In terms of the topics chosen, they follow the same pattern of topics that interest and affect the lives of centre-leftists: NHS, labour (wages, unemployment, employment rights), education and a bit of bleeding-heart sentiment. Centre-leftists are generally fine with immigration, why would they want to bring it up?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

It's just not strategically worth it. What do Labour have to gain on offering a plan? In all likelihood, they will never get to use it, especially if Tories enact Article 50 next year. The Tories can simply use Labour's plan as political ammunition to distract from their own plan. I don't want Labour investing too heavily in a hypothetical never-used plan. I want them tearing the Tory plan apart, piece-by-piece. The point of opposition is to oppose. If a General Election comes around before Brexit happens, then that's the time to come up with a leaving-the-EU plan.

In terms of the topics chosen, they follow the same pattern of topics that interest and affect the lives of centre-leftists: NHS, labour (wages, unemployment, employment rights), education and a bit of bleeding-heart sentiment. Centre-leftists are generally fine with immigration, why would they want to bring it up?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37487312

Corbyn pretty much answers the question on what he would do on immigration if PM in this interview with Laura Kuenssberg. Scroll down to full video interview which lasts 12 or so minutes. Does he have a policy to control numbers; clearly not, other than concentratiing on harmonising wages and conditions across Europe and this in turn, in his, mind will control numbers. At least we know where he stands. Still how he brings about this harmonisation seems to be lacking in a post Brexit Britain.

Not saying the Tories do either although May has set out her preference of work visas rather than a points system.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Really can't see Corbyn keeping the major northern strongholds if he stands with his current immigration views TBH.

The Revival of the funds to help communities deal with immigration is a good idea though and would do more to help thugs long term instead of the previous put them in already low income areas with no improvement to the infrastructure.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

TIL that a lot of people don't know that Playboy has stopped doing nudes for a while now.

 

[Superalexmarket]

After 50 years of civil war finally the FARC and the Colombia government sign a peace treat to end the longest conflict of the western hemisphere. VIVA LA PAZ!! Congratulations to my colombians brothers!!

 

[Bada-Bing!]

After 50 years of civil war finally the FARC and the Colombia government sign a peace treat to end the longest conflict of the western hemisphere. VIVA LA PAZ!! Congratulations to my colombians brothers!!

So the Commies are still quite active in Columbia then. Seems like Columbia is always at war with itself, whether it's drug cartels, right wing paramilitary or FARC. How long will the peace last?

 

[Superalexmarket]

It seems like the guerrilla side and paramilitary side, ended the armed actions. The drug cartels will be active while the drugs business remains profitable.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

It seems like the guerrilla side and paramilitary side, ended the armed actions. The drug cartels will be active while the drugs business remains profitable.

So that's gonna be for a very long little time then unless the drug trade is legalised. Can't say it's a country that's at the top of my list to visit any time soon.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364

So UK trigger Article 50 by end of March 2017 to start 2 year process of negotiations and then UK to leave EU by end of March 2019.

 

[Superalexmarket]

Argentine candidate to chair the UN, Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra; lost her chances for the UK veto to his candidacy.
What a bad attitude boys!! That is not done with a friend ... !!!

 

[McTallshort]

Argentine candidate to chair the UN, Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra; lost her chances for the UK veto to his candidacy.
What a bad attitude boys!! That is not done with a friend ... !!!

In terms of politics we are not really that friendly....

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Neither are we given the chance, even among ourselves.

Politics wise, thought what's going on in Argentina might be interesting: it is being discussed, very seriously, a change in the way party lists are made. The proposal, if successful, would require every single party/coalition list to have 50% of women, among other things. This would go from congressmen/women to low level council members.
I am a big supporter of equal rights, but the way this is playing out is simply, well, sad. You have women going to TV shows and telling anyone who doesn't agree with their proposal they are misogynist, retrograde pigs who are ignorant about how women had to suffer. People against it are being timid because every time they dare to voice an argument against this lunacy they get a horde of fanatics yelling at them.

What makes this particularly interesting is that our constitution (great on paper, poorly implemented) theoretically prohibits this. One of our articles (#16) states that the only criteria to select public officials should be "suitability".

I have trouble finding the words to describe how stupid these is. To begin with, women are not a minority. The question they consistently fail to answer, is why are women (a majority) not voting women?
The second question, that is arguably the most important one, is why should we have quotas on genders and not, say, gender identity, height, weight, religion or ethnicity?

I'm all in favor of equality, but this ain't equality. I would love to see how many of these women were as passionate to get into military conscription (compulsory to men till 1995) or how many of them complain about retirement age now (women in Arg retire 5 years younger by law). Conveniently enough, when the inequality suits them they are no complaints.
Equality means equal rights and responsibilities.

/end rant