A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

What's your view on Jan 6th @dirty harry?

**** show, Trump ****** up, but blown way out of proportion.

When did a judge ever rule Biden wasn't capable? The only thing that came close was the Burr report, which itself was criticised for outright falsehoods when the recorded transcripts of cases where Burr claimed Biden couldn't remember things turned out to be false.

Choosing a poor vice president is not a particularly bad failing as a president. Pence and Vance are pretty useless and Palin as a candidate for McCain as downright terrible. By all means I support a merit based system but multiple Republican candidates would fail by that metric.

Yes Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, however I doubt any president would have achieved that without it being a mess. As said, the timescale and the withdrawal plan that was followed was the one negotiated in the final days of the Trump presidency. Had Trump won in 2020, the plan that was enacted is the one he would have been following, with the same result. The Taliban still would have taken control again.

Ok so you blame Biden for other countries starting wars... What would another president have done to stop it? You're suggesting Hamas wouldn't have launched their terrorist attack if Trump had been in power or that Israel wouldn't have responded? What tools could Trump have used to sway Putin and prevent a military invasion, other than straight up offering Ukraine to him on a plate?

The Dems nominations of Harris and Biden again are mistakes, not cases of horrific presidential malpractice.

So Hunters drug problem is a bigger issue than the Trump's enriching themselves corruptly off the back of the presidency? Also with the laptop story, given the extreme dissecting of it and the highly irregular case of the house committee getting involved, don't you find it funny the only thing they could pin on Hunter Biden was drug and gun charges? Where is everything else?

Biden will go down as a poor president yes but I asked what had he done that came remotely close to what Trump has done. You had said "they are all the same", the above is largely cases of incompetence and poor judgement of the electorate. Where is the equivalent to January 6th, where is the equivalent to the terrible handling of Covid? Where is the equivalent to the fraud, the sexual abuse? Where is the years of denying the results of the election, crying fraud, pardoning violent political criminals? Do you honestly believe what you listed is comparable?

This is the greatest example of non critical thinking and raging defence of one's team I have ever seen!!!

At what point did I ever compare Bidens failings with Trump? Your literally screaming 'but Trump' like it's impossible to criticise Biden because you believe Trump is worse hahaha

Look at what I wrote, and agree and or disagree with the points, don't have a TDS style meltdown and defend every failing Biden had by using Trump as the yard stick.

Biden had failings, it wasn't a judge it was the prosecutor who deemed him a sweet old man with poor memory, BEFORE he dropped our lol.

My motto is usually, never atribute malice that can be adequately explained by stupidity, except for politicians. Afghanistan, Harris, pulling out to avoid primaries, the laptop cover up, these are clearly malice, there is too much incentive not to be!

We can criticise Trump if you like, but why does every scumbaggery thing Biden does, need to be justified by lambasted Trump?

Are you capable of finding positives of Trumps first term?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Wait whys Tim Pool in that list, that kids just a skater wanting to hang in his van in the woods..

And you missed Joe Rogan

Joe Rogan being a perfect example of not applying the thing I said above about whether your perception of something changes depending on which candidate you think did it.

When he was told Biden had mistakenly said the American revolutionaries retook the airports during the revolutionary war, he claimed that comment alone was proof of his mental incompetence and would rule him out of the presidency. When he was corrected and told it was Trump who actually said it, suddenly everything he said before was dropped and he started making excuses for it.

When you have polar opposite responses to an identical event depending on whether you think it's Trump or Biden who did it, you are not arguing in good faith.

 

[dirty harry]

Oh yeah and Rogan. Yeah, that Pool kid spouts Russia talking points. I only came across this is an article that linked those guys (not Shapiro though I don't think) to some dodgy ****.

In terms of Fox, nothing comes close to the Dominion lawsuit.

Rogan hahaha the lefty luvvy who voted Sanders and refused to have Trump on his podcast until 2024 and wanted both Trump and Harris on...

Sometimes I think people regurgitate so much they forget who is who, I'm baffled by the Pool and Rogan characterisations, and I'm not even a fan of either.

 

[ChicagoKid]

All the world's a Kremlin, and all the men and women merely its' agents!!!

Russia is simultaneously a poor, horrible mismanaged country that also controls major media sources all over the planet.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Joe Rogan is reportedly making $100 million a year from Spotify.

What the hell could Russia offer him? Clearly not $$.

The idea that he is a Russian Agent is peak TDS.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

**** show, Trump ****** up, but blown way out of proportion.

This is the greatest example of non critical thinking and raging defence of one's team I have ever seen!!!

At what point did I ever compare Bidens failings with Trump? Your literally screaming 'but Trump' like it's impossible to criticise Biden because you believe Trump is worse hahaha

Look at what I wrote, and agree and or disagree with the points, don't have a TDS style meltdown and defend every failing Biden had by using Trump as the yard stick.

Biden had failings, it wasn't a judge it was the prosecutor who deemed him a sweet old man with poor memory, BEFORE he dropped our lol.

My motto is usually, never atribute malice that can be adequately explained by stupidity, except for politicians. Afghanistan, Harris, pulling out to avoid primaries, the laptop cover up, these are clearly malice, there is too much incentive not to be!

We can criticise Trump if you like, but why does every scumbaggery thing Biden does, need to be justified by lambasted Trump?

Are you capable of finding positives of Trumps first term?

Since when was that raging?

When did you compare them? Right here:

That's the same test I use constantly, because you will find me criticising politicians en masse.

I dislike just about every single one of them, whether they have a God complex like Trump, or is a scumbag career politician like Biden, they're both as bad as each other.

However I am a contrarion, so those with TDS need rebuking sometimes, and then never criticise Biden so that's where I end up mostly.

You made the claim that Trump and Biden are as bad as each other, I have asked you to do so and now you seem to think expecting you to support your claims is somehow raging.

At no point have I ever said Biden is without criticism ever, in fact I have openly criticised him in my last posts. I'm not screaming "but Trump", I'm asking you to justify how you think they are as bad as each other.

TDS is a lazy way of avoiding discussing the very real failings of Trump, you know the guy actually in office right now enacting exactly the sort of things we are talking about? Yes we very much should talk about Trump.

So Biden was deemed a sweet old man with poor memory who was simultaneously masterminding a way to steal the election from out of office? Biden had and has mental issues and was a terrible candidate. At no point have I ever claimed he was a good candidate, nor was Hillary. I've stated on these forums I think the people trying to get in off their links to Obama through 2nd hand popularity is a strategy doomed to failure and a bit pathetic. Somehow you're now turning that into claiming I'm a die hard Biden supporter who can never criticise him. I'd point out Republicans didn't seem too fussed with Reagan's severe mental decline in office and still hold him up as one of their best.

I will retract what I said about Biden not remembering when his son died. It's possible what he was saying was misunderstood but I've just read the transcript myself and it appears he didn't know the year, although he knew the month.

"My motto is usually, never atribute malice that can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Which I follow, however that doesn't apply when the malice is clear as day and the stuff Trump says is straight up malicious, not stupid (well both but there is plenty of stuff that's straight up malice).

It needs to be justified because that was exactly what I asked. You said they are as bad as each other and I disagree. By the very nature of that claim, we need to compare them don't we? I am claiming Biden was a bad president but Trump is a terrible and malignant one, you are claiming they are the same as each other. I do not believe Biden was or is malicious. Trump's pettiness, vengefulness and desire to harm those he deemed wronged him cannot possibly be argued, it's out in the open every single day.

The positives?
- The economy continued to grow well up until Covid
- Long overdue bipartisan support for criminal justice reform
- Expansion of apprenticeship programs improving access to skilled non-academic jobs
- Oversaw and fostered a boom in new technologies
- A stronger stance on China's bullshit

 

[Saintjay]

Joe Rogan is reportedly making $100 million a year from Spotify.

What the hell could Russia offer him? Clearly not $$.

The idea that he is a Russian Agent is peak TDS.

I don't think he's a Russian stooge. But they might have photos of him burning the stars and stripes and wiping his butt on pages of the Constitution for all i know or care. Which under the 1st Amendment i think he's allowed to do any way.

 

[AlRums]

Do you write for the rolling stone by any chance?

This seems like a stone article naming the good and bad of Biden, and the bad essentially saying he didn't do more of what they wanted lol. They even called the Afghanistan withdrawal a positive hahaha

Realistically it's hard to judge Bidens presidency, partley because he wasnt capable as decided by a judge, and partly because Covid changed the world.

NAming Harris as vice was a massive error, he literally said he wanted a black woman, he basically called her a DEI hire and ruined her career.

His insistence to pat himself on the back for the 94 crime Bill was pretty bad.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, but it was a mess the military industrial complex wanted.

As were the 2 new global conflicts, Putin pretty much said he was given an opportunity through a power vacuum.

The pardons were a disgrace, as was the weaponisation of the DOJ to go after Trump pre emptively to stop him running. He had to throw those pardons around after that.

The biggest issue though IMHO was the way Dems installed Harris as the 'nomination'Biden allowing himself to be used for just long enough to avoid primary's. I genuinely think this was a major factor in Trumps victory's, not that the Dems are corrupt, because so are the Reps, but the two finger style way the Dems were being corrupt right in front of the voters fave and not attempting to hide it.

From Hunters dealings, his dropping bags of cocaine on the whitehouse steps, Zuckerberg acknowledging he withheld the laptop story etc...

Bidens presidency was one **** up after another, but not ultimately Bidens fault, he'll go down in history as not at the wheel, and trying hard to be a company man.

Why weaponisation? Trump clearly broke the law on multiple occasions, how else does he be held accountable?

Are you, along with every maga, suggested trump was/is above the law?

He has been prosecuted and found guilty of fraud.

He's been found liable for sexual assault and defamation.

The only reason hes got out of remaining under prosecution for federal offences is they were closed because of his election victory, he would have ordered them closed anyway.

He still being prosecuted to in Georgia for election interference/denial along with a number of others.

A fair number of fake electors are still being prosecuted in various states

 

[Saintjay]

Likely breaks several bits of the Constitution according to the Judge.

So bent over by Putin, told off by the Supreme Court, and possibly breaking the constitution. Not a great day for the Republicans tbh.

US judge halts USAID shutdown

The ruling orders Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency to halt its termination of workers and programs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

I addition the other day Trump laid out a laundry list of people he calls "scum" and "lawbreakers" right in the middle of the DoJ, a department headed up by someone who couldn't commit to defending the rule of law over defending the president and a head of the FBI who has a public hit list that he has openly stated he'd go after given the chance. Tell me when the Democrats did anything approaching that. Bearing in mind Trump forced out the last FBI director, who HE APPOINTED, as he didn't blindly do what Trump told him. That hiring was itself after he forced out the director before him for similar reasons. The FBI director is supposed to be there for a 10 year term for the purpose of keeping them outside the regular political games. Trump has become the first president to force the director out twice for not doing what he wants.

Don't forget trump firing Barr, his AG, for stating the 2020 elections showed no sign on vote fraud claimed by trump.

 

[dirty harry]

That's a previous comment, your not being honest...

I criticised Biden, never mentioned Trump, never promoted Trump, never gassed Trump in that comment, I was discussing Biden, which you seemingly cannot do without the addition to Trump...

Hunters drug problem is a failing of Biden, to compare it to bad Trump actions is minimising the action itself.

Your starting to convince me TDS is a medical issue that needs resolving hahahaha

But let's start with a clean sheet (and usually I only ask this of Democrat ((or should I say popular view points)) sycophants):

You believe that the aafghanistan withdrawal, that armed the Taliban to an incredible level, that was devised and rejected under Trump, initiated under Biden, was mere stupidity, and Trump would have enacted it anyway?

Is that what you are honestly saying? Because I find that stance wildly niaive

 

[dirty harry]

Why weaponisation? Trump clearly broke the law on multiple occasions, how else does he be held accountable?

Are you, along with every maga, suggested trump was/is above the law?

He has been prosecuted and found guilty of fraud.

He's been found liable for sexual assault and defamation.

The only reason hes got out of remaining under prosecution for federal offences is they were closed because of his election victory, he would have ordered them closed anyway.

He still being prosecuted to in Georgia for election interference/denial along with a number of others.

A fair number of fake electors are still being prosecuted in various states

I'm along with every other maga hahaha

 

[Welsh Exile]

Rogan hahaha the lefty luvvy who voted Sanders and refused to have Trump on his podcast until 2024 and wanted both Trump and Harris on...

Sometimes I think people regurgitate so much they forget who is who, I'm baffled by the Pool and Rogan characterisations, and I'm not even a fan of either.

Rogan wasn't mentioned in the article I read re dodgy Russian money filtering its way through those right wing influencers, and I don't really listen to his podcast to be fair but when I've seen clips it's the usual ********. Though he's part of this new wave of "centrists" who just want "good conversations" man. It's BS

 

[dirty harry]

Hot damn I said initially I didn't want to get dragged into a Trump convo because it was just **** slinging team fighting from both sides, and being someone who dislikes both sides I generally get hit with both sides of **** while being told I simultaneously have TDS and I am MAGA lol...

I only wanted ro rant about the lack of free speech in the UK, how have I been drawn in to the stupidity of American politics the temptress...

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I've said it before that I think Rogan is just the most impressionable person in the world and it's hilarious that he's got the biggest interview podcast on earth. If the Dems started convincingly out "Alpha Maling" MAGA, he'd switch back in a heartbeat.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The only people that have TDS are the MAGA cultists that idolise him.

 

[Saintjay]

That's a previous comment, your not being honest...

I criticised Biden, never mentioned Trump, never promoted Trump, never gassed Trump in that comment, I was discussing Biden, which you seemingly cannot do without the addition to Trump...

Hunters drug problem is a failing of Biden, to compare it to bad Trump actions is minimising the action itself.

Your starting to convince me TDS is a medical issue that needs resolving hahahaha

But let's start with a clean sheet (and usually I only ask this of Democrat ((or should I say popular view points)) sycophants):

You believe that the aafghanistan withdrawal, that armed the Taliban to an incredible level, that was devised and rejected under Trump, initiated under Biden, was mere stupidity, and Trump would have enacted it anyway?

Is that what you are honestly saying? Because I find that stance wildly niaive

How is Hunters drug use a failing of Biden?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I've said it before that I think Rogan is just the most impressionable person in the world and it's hilarious that he's got the biggest interview podcast on earth. If the Dems started convincingly out "Alpha Maling" MAGA, he'd switch back in a heartbeat.

You've got to be impressionable if you speak with RFK for hours and you come away saying he's a genius.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

This is the greatest example of non critical thinking and raging defence of one's team I have ever seen!!!

dude, you need to take a step back, repeatedly saying others need to think critically when you're so blindly defending things so many people consider mad, is the most blatant example of non critical thinking ive seen on this thread

you're not talking to a small group of conspiracy fanatics, much like the left needs to accept there are huge parts of the world community that want to hear what the right has to say...the reverse is still true, the argument "we won so everyone is on board is a fallacy" nearly half the US population is ******...so thinking hundreds of millions of people that have similar thoughts have all drunk the cool aide....and need to "think critically" is a little deranged

 

[dirty harry]

Rogan wasn't mentioned in the article I read re dodgy Russian money filtering its way through those right wing influencers, and I don't really listen to his podcast to be fair but when I've seen clips it's the usual ********. Though he's part of this new wave of "centrists" who just want "good conversations" man. It's BS

I couldn't disagree with this more, he's not a centrist he's an outspoken Bernie bro, who is very socially left. He has become a Trump voter out of necessity and he doesn't like it.

He isn't the original conversationalist, but he's the most consistent, and he has had some super interesting guests on his show noone seems to care about.

He likes drugs, he loves a conspiracy and he doesn't take things too seriously.

I've listened to a few of his shows, off the top of my head Lutrell, Park and Davis were very interesting people who noone was really interested in. Surviving a sealnopweration, north Korea and transitioning clansman are fascinating stories