A Political Thread pt. 2

[Ragey Erasmus]

Wait, you just made Trumps point about corruption!

That actually wasn't his point because I was talking about the supreme court, which Trump had not yet commented on.

Also there is a very simple test I do in these situations, imagine you swapped the people involved, imagine it was Biden screaming all in caps on social media when he was president when a court decision went against him for a judge to be impeached. If you think that would be unacceptable, then Trump don't it should also be.

 

[dirty harry]

Trump definitely isn't.

Neither are Democrats, it's a weapon to bash each other with, the ultimate 'but muh constitution' when it's appropriate.

But then I personally wouldn't denigrate the USA for its 1st amendment, while then criticising Trump as being anti Constitution...

 

[ncurd]

So your pro constitution?

I'm pro enforcing the laws of the land as written and changing them as required per those rules. See my views on 2nd Admendment

Written constitution V Unwitten has pros and cons.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm pro enforcing the laws of the land as written and changing them as required per those rules. See my views on 2nd Admendment

Written constitution V Unwitten has pros and cons.

I'm going to be a pedant, codified Vs uncodified. Our constitution is written but not codified.

 

[dirty harry]

That actually wasn't his point because I was talking about the supreme court, which Trump had not yet commented on.

Also there is a very simple test I do in these situations, imagine you swapped the people involved, imagine it was Biden screaming all in caps on social media when he was president when a court decision went against him for a judge to be impeached. If you think that would be unacceptable, then Trump don't it should also be.

That's the same test I use constantly, because you will find me criticising politicians en masse.

I dislike just about every single one of them, whether they have a God complex like Trump, or is a scumbag career politician like Biden, they're both as bad as each other.

However I am a contrarion, so those with TDS need rebuking sometimes, and then never criticise Biden so that's where I end up mostly.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

That's the same test I use constantly, because you will find me criticising politicians en masse.

I dislike just about every single one of them, whether they have a God complex like Trump, or is a scumbag career politician like Biden, they're both as bad as each other.

However I am a contrarion, so those with TDS need rebuking sometimes, and then never criticise Biden so that's where I end up mostly.

You say they are as bad as each other, so what can you point to that Biden has done as bad as Trump?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Neither are Democrats, it's a weapon to bash each other with, the ultimate 'but muh constitution' when it's appropriate.

But then I personally wouldn't denigrate the USA for its 1st amendment, while then criticising Trump as being anti Constitution...

Can't recall any democrats ever saying the constitution should be terminated.

 

[Welsh Exile]

You say they are as bad as each other, so what can you point to that Biden has done as bad as Trump?

The worst thing he did was do that really annoying thing, you know, respect the most important pillar of any democratic country and honour the peaceful transfer of power. He should've called election fraud and for the constitution to be suspended and instigate an insurrection to coup the government.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The worst thing he did was do that really annoying thing, you know, respect the most important pillar of any democratic country and honour the peaceful transfer of power. He should've called election fraud and for the constitution to be suspended and instigate an insurrection to coup the government.

The worst thing Biden did were the blanket immunities at the end of his presidency. Under normal circumstances, I'd have said that was really poor. However, knowing Trump fully plans to use the DoJ to go after his opponents, that gives some justification to it. Beyond that, I can't off the top of my head think of anything particularly bad he did. The Afghanistan retreat was a mess but that plan was actually agreed during the Trump administration and merely enacted during the Biden one. There was no way any withdrawal from Afghanistan was going to result in anything but a mess seeing as in all this time we haven't been able to fix it at all.

 

[dirty harry]

The worst thing Biden did were the blanket immunities at the end of his presidency. Under normal circumstances, I'd have said that was really poor. However, knowing Trump fully plans to use the DoJ to go after his opponents, that gives some justification to it. Beyond that, I can't off the top of my head think of anything particularly bad he did. The Afghanistan retreat was a mess but that plan was actually agreed during the Trump administration and merely enacted during the Biden one. There was no way any withdrawal from Afghanistan was going to result in anything but a mess seeing as in all this time we haven't been able to fix it at all.

Do you write for the rolling stone by any chance?

This seems like a stone article naming the good and bad of Biden, and the bad essentially saying he didn't do more of what they wanted lol. They even called the Afghanistan withdrawal a positive hahaha

Realistically it's hard to judge Bidens presidency, partley because he wasnt capable as decided by a judge, and partly because Covid changed the world.

NAming Harris as vice was a massive error, he literally said he wanted a black woman, he basically called her a DEI hire and ruined her career.

His insistence to pat himself on the back for the 94 crime Bill was pretty bad.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, but it was a mess the military industrial complex wanted.

As were the 2 new global conflicts, Putin pretty much said he was given an opportunity through a power vacuum.

The pardons were a disgrace, as was the weaponisation of the DOJ to go after Trump pre emptively to stop him running. He had to throw those pardons around after that.

The biggest issue though IMHO was the way Dems installed Harris as the 'nomination'Biden allowing himself to be used for just long enough to avoid primary's. I genuinely think this was a major factor in Trumps victory's, not that the Dems are corrupt, because so are the Reps, but the two finger style way the Dems were being corrupt right in front of the voters fave and not attempting to hide it.

From Hunters dealings, his dropping bags of cocaine on the whitehouse steps, Zuckerberg acknowledging he withheld the laptop story etc...

Bidens presidency was one **** up after another, but not ultimately Bidens fault, he'll go down in history as not at the wheel, and trying hard to be a company man.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Do you write for the rolling stone by any chance?

This seems like a stone article naming the good and bad of Biden, and the bad essentially saying he didn't do more of what they wanted lol. They even called the Afghanistan withdrawal a positive hahaha

Realistically it's hard to judge Bidens presidency, partley because he wasnt capable as decided by a judge, and partly because Covid changed the world.

NAming Harris as vice was a massive error, he literally said he wanted a black woman, he basically called her a DEI hire and ruined her career.

His insistence to pat himself on the back for the 94 crime Bill was pretty bad.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, but it was a mess the military industrial complex wanted.

As were the 2 new global conflicts, Putin pretty much said he was given an opportunity through a power vacuum.

The pardons were a disgrace, as was the weaponisation of the DOJ to go after Trump pre emptively to stop him running. He had to throw those pardons around after that.

The biggest issue though IMHO was the way Dems installed Harris as the 'nomination'Biden allowing himself to be used for just long enough to avoid primary's. I genuinely think this was a major factor in Trumps victory's, not that the Dems are corrupt, because so are the Reps, but the two finger style way the Dems were being corrupt right in front of the voters fave and not attempting to hide it.

From Hunters dealings, his dropping bags of cocaine on the whitehouse steps, Zuckerberg acknowledging he withheld the laptop story etc...

Bidens presidency was one **** up after another, but not ultimately Bidens fault, he'll go down in history as not at the wheel, and trying hard to be a company man.

Hot damn this is straight fire!

 

[Welsh Exile]

What's your view on Jan 6th @dirty harry?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Cnn? Really?

Far better then Fox or any of your Ben Shapiros, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin *insert right wing, Russian paid chancer here*

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Do you write for the rolling stone by any chance?

This seems like a stone article naming the good and bad of Biden, and the bad essentially saying he didn't do more of what they wanted lol. They even called the Afghanistan withdrawal a positive hahaha

Realistically it's hard to judge Bidens presidency, partley because he wasnt capable as decided by a judge, and partly because Covid changed the world.

NAming Harris as vice was a massive error, he literally said he wanted a black woman, he basically called her a DEI hire and ruined her career.

His insistence to pat himself on the back for the 94 crime Bill was pretty bad.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, but it was a mess the military industrial complex wanted.

As were the 2 new global conflicts, Putin pretty much said he was given an opportunity through a power vacuum.

The pardons were a disgrace, as was the weaponisation of the DOJ to go after Trump pre emptively to stop him running. He had to throw those pardons around after that.

The biggest issue though IMHO was the way Dems installed Harris as the 'nomination'Biden allowing himself to be used for just long enough to avoid primary's. I genuinely think this was a major factor in Trumps victory's, not that the Dems are corrupt, because so are the Reps, but the two finger style way the Dems were being corrupt right in front of the voters fave and not attempting to hide it.

From Hunters dealings, his dropping bags of cocaine on the whitehouse steps, Zuckerberg acknowledging he withheld the laptop story etc...

Bidens presidency was one **** up after another, but not ultimately Bidens fault, he'll go down in history as not at the wheel, and trying hard to be a company man.

When did a judge ever rule Biden wasn't capable? The only thing that came close was the Burr report, which itself was criticised for outright falsehoods when the recorded transcripts of cases where Burr claimed Biden couldn't remember things turned out to be false.

Choosing a poor vice president is not a particularly bad failing as a president. Pence and Vance are pretty useless and Palin as a candidate for McCain as downright terrible. By all means I support a merit based system but multiple Republican candidates would fail by that metric.

Yes Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, however I doubt any president would have achieved that without it being a mess. As said, the timescale and the withdrawal plan that was followed was the one negotiated in the final days of the Trump presidency. Had Trump won in 2020, the plan that was enacted is the one he would have been following, with the same result. The Taliban still would have taken control again.

Ok so you blame Biden for other countries starting wars... What would another president have done to stop it? You're suggesting Hamas wouldn't have launched their terrorist attack if Trump had been in power or that Israel wouldn't have responded? What tools could Trump have used to sway Putin and prevent a military invasion, other than straight up offering Ukraine to him on a plate?

The Dems nominations of Harris and Biden again are mistakes, not cases of horrific presidential malpractice.

So Hunters drug problem is a bigger issue than the Trump's enriching themselves corruptly off the back of the presidency? Also with the laptop story, given the extreme dissecting of it and the highly irregular case of the house committee getting involved, don't you find it funny the only thing they could pin on Hunter Biden was drug and gun charges? Where is everything else?

Biden will go down as a poor president yes but I asked what had he done that came remotely close to what Trump has done. You had said "they are all the same", the above is largely cases of incompetence and poor judgement of the electorate. Where is the equivalent to January 6th, where is the equivalent to the terrible handling of Covid? Where is the equivalent to the fraud, the sexual abuse? Where is the years of denying the results of the election, crying fraud, pardoning violent political criminals? Do you honestly believe what you listed is comparable?

 

[AlRums]

That actually wasn't his point because I was talking about the supreme court, which Trump had not yet commented on.

Also there is a very simple test I do in these situations, imagine you swapped the people involved, imagine it was Biden screaming all in caps on social media when he was president when a court decision went against him for a judge to be impeached. If you think that would be unacceptable, then Trump don't it should also be.

Even in Biden's presidency trump claimed that

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Do you write for the rolling stone by any chance?

This seems like a stone article naming the good and bad of Biden, and the bad essentially saying he didn't do more of what they wanted lol. They even called the Afghanistan withdrawal a positive hahaha

Realistically it's hard to judge Bidens presidency, partley because he wasnt capable as decided by a judge, and partly because Covid changed the world.

NAming Harris as vice was a massive error, he literally said he wanted a black woman, he basically called her a DEI hire and ruined her career.

His insistence to pat himself on the back for the 94 crime Bill was pretty bad.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess, but it was a mess the military industrial complex wanted.

As were the 2 new global conflicts, Putin pretty much said he was given an opportunity through a power vacuum.

The pardons were a disgrace, as was the weaponisation of the DOJ to go after Trump pre emptively to stop him running. He had to throw those pardons around after that.

The biggest issue though IMHO was the way Dems installed Harris as the 'nomination'Biden allowing himself to be used for just long enough to avoid primary's. I genuinely think this was a major factor in Trumps victory's, not that the Dems are corrupt, because so are the Reps, but the two finger style way the Dems were being corrupt right in front of the voters fave and not attempting to hide it.

From Hunters dealings, his dropping bags of cocaine on the whitehouse steps, Zuckerberg acknowledging he withheld the laptop story etc...

Bidens presidency was one **** up after another, but not ultimately Bidens fault, he'll go down in history as not at the wheel, and trying hard to be a company man.

I addition the other day Trump laid out a laundry list of people he calls "scum" and "lawbreakers" right in the middle of the DoJ, a department headed up by someone who couldn't commit to defending the rule of law over defending the president and a head of the FBI who has a public hit list that he has openly stated he'd go after given the chance. Tell me when the Democrats did anything approaching that. Bearing in mind Trump forced out the last FBI director, who HE APPOINTED, as he didn't blindly do what Trump told him. That hiring was itself after he forced out the director before him for similar reasons. The FBI director is supposed to be there for a 10 year term for the purpose of keeping them outside the regular political games. Trump has become the first president to force the director out twice for not doing what he wants.

 

[dirty harry]

Far better then Fox or any of your Ben Shapiros, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin *insert right wing, Russian paid chancer here*

Wait whys Tim Pool in that list, that kids just a skater wanting to hang in his van in the woods..

And you missed Joe Rogan

 

[Yulia]

*insert right wing, Russian paid chancer here*

All the world's a Kremlin, and all the men and women merely its' agents!!!

 

[Welsh Exile]

Wait whys Tim Pool in that list, that kids just a skater wanting to hang in his van in the woods..

And you missed Joe Rogan

Oh yeah and Rogan. Yeah, that Pool kid spouts Russia talking points. I only came across this is an article that linked those guys (not Shapiro though I don't think) to some dodgy ****.

In terms of Fox, nothing comes close to the Dominion lawsuit.

 

[Welsh Exile]

All the world's a Kremlin, and all the men and women merely its' agents!!!

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and you ask it "are you a duck?" and it says "quack" it's a Russian agent.