A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Starts 27th June. Interesting how Reeves and Streeting respond with Fiscal rules and waiting times targets.

Think its definitely more a driving factor to GTTO everyone being reminded for 5 days what they've done. Unless the current government does something (LOL).

 

[ncurd]

WTF is going

Since Tuesday, we've been covering the political future of Labour's Diane Abbott - the long-serving MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington.

She was suspended by Labour in April 2023 after saying Jewish, Irish and Traveller people do not face racism "all their lives". Here's a recap of the last 24 hours:

• On Tuesday, the Times reported that Abbott "will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate" in the 4 July general election
• Later that evening, the BBC learned Abbott had, though, been readmitted as a Labour MP - party officials tried to broker a deal by where she would get the whip back in return for standing down
• Earlier today, Abbott texted the BBC's Joe Pike to say: "Although the whip has been restored, I am banned from standing as a Labour candidate"
• Now, she's written on X: "I am very dismayed that numerous reports suggest I have been barred as a candidate"

As a reminder, we're still waiting to hear from Labour - the party has not confirmed who its candidate will be in Abbott's constituency. Nominations legally close on 7 June. We'll bring you more details when we have them.

 

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[Ragey Erasmus]

Sounds like Streeting completely blindsided on morning chat shows. I'm kinda ****** now he's supposed to be out championing getting the pledge to get wait times down to a certain level in 5 years (a proper concrete measureable goal) and instead everyone's gonna be talking about one candidate.

I heard a bit on bbc2 with Jeremy Vine, it seemed kinda ridiculous, basically saying the fact Labour didn't fix the NHS instantly was somehow their fault and there short term fix to improve things was shot down as not being a long term solution. Again it has the vibe of saying unless Labour can fix everything instantly, they are no good.

The interview was directed in a way like Labour were the incumbents having to justify the mess and their inability to fix it. I'm beginning to notice this as a theme, when labour are taking about how they would fix things, it's being treated like it is their problem to begin with. Vine even said "You're blaming the conservatives for everything". Of course he ******* is, who else is to blame?

 

[Saintjay]

I heard a bit on bbc2 with Jeremy Vine, it seemed kinda ridiculous, basically saying the fact Labour didn't fix the NHS instantly was somehow their fault and there short term fix to improve things was shot down as not being a long term solution. Again it has the vibe of saying unless Labour can fix everything instantly, they are no good.

The interview was directed in a way like Labour were the incumbents having to justify the mess and their inability to fix it. I'm beginning to notice this as a theme, when labour are taking about how they would fix things, it's being treated like it is their problem to begin with. Vine even said "You're blaming the conservatives for everything". Of course he ******* is, who else is to blame?

It's lazy questioning really. I'd rather they drill down on how they going to get an over stretched NHS to work weekends and lates. What is the costs etc if you use the private sector. How they will free up beds and resources to reduce waiting lists.

Labour can quite rightly dine out on the Tory mess for a few years. As long as people see an improvement they should be fine.

 

[Reiser99]

It's definitely given the media an excuse not to talk about the actual policies.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Anyone else seeing this?

 

[The Seeker]

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[Vieux Talonneur]

I heard a bit on bbc2 with Jeremy Vine, it seemed kinda ridiculous, basically saying the fact Labour didn't fix the NHS instantly was somehow their fault and there short term fix to improve things was shot down as not being a long term solution. Again it has the vibe of saying unless Labour can fix everything instantly, they are no good.

The interview was directed in a way like Labour were the incumbents having to justify the mess and their inability to fix it. I'm beginning to notice this as a theme, when labour are taking about how they would fix things, it's being treated like it is their problem to begin with. Vine even said "You're blaming the conservatives for everything". Of course he ******* is, who else is to blame?

I didn't hear it, but isn't that the journalist's exact job description - to press and probe, put the politicians under pressure and play devil's advocate? It's certainly not their job to give a platform, an easy ride or (subconsciously) endorse any individuals or party. As long as they take the same tone with all the parties that's fine by me.

And to be honest if a politician can't easily deal with that kind of questioning they shouldn't be anywhere near high office.

 

[McTallshort]

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[ncurd]

I didn't hear it, but isn't that the journalist's exact job description - to press and probe, put the politicians under pressure and play devil's advocate? It's certainly not their job to give a platform, an easy ride or (subconsciously) endorse any individuals or party. As long as they take the same tone with all the parties that's fine by me.

And to be honest if a politician can't easily deal with that kind of questioning they shouldn't be anywhere near high office.

I have zero problem with probing questioning but I think its the style of question.

"Labour, are the majority in Wales which has the highest waiting times, care to explain why this isn't your fault?"
"Labour, campaigned on austerity in 2010 can you explain how waiting times would not increased in the last 14 years under your watch?"

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I didn't hear it, but isn't that the journalist's exact job description - to press and probe, put the politicians under pressure and play devil's advocate? It's certainly not their job to give a platform, an easy ride or (subconsciously) endorse any individuals or party. As long as they take the same tone with all the parties that's fine by me.

And to be honest if a politician can't easily deal with that kind of questioning they shouldn't be anywhere near high office.

Playing devils advocate is one thing, that isn't what he was doing. He was talking to the Labour candidate as if it was their problem to fix and then put them in the no win situation of any quick fix is dismissed as fantasy but any inability to fix it quickly is failure. That's not probing, that's just being a ***.

I wanted to hear just how Labour intended to use the private sector without cost spiralling out of control, how long they intended this to be a fix, how much of an impact they thought it could have etc. Didn't get any questioning on any of those things relating to the actual practicalities of what was being proposed and instead just got a load of drivel.

 

[Reiser99]

Wondering is this is a monumental **** up by Starmer or if Abbott has actually played a blinder in outmanoeuvring the Labour executive.

I have the feeling Abbott hasn't actually officially asked to stand, but has just had behind the scenes chats and was told she's unlikely to be nominated. However, until she actually requests to stand, Labour can't officially say no. So she puts it off until close to the election to create the drama and try to get them to back down.

 

[Saintjay]

Wondering is this is a monumental **** up by Starmer or if Abbott has actually played a blinder in outmanoeuvring the Labour executive.

I have the feeling Abbott hasn't actually officially asked to stand, but has just had behind the scenes chats and was told she's unlikely to be nominated. However, until she actually requests to stand, Labour can't officially say no. So she puts it off until close to the election to create the drama and try to get them to back down.

Rayner saying "She can't see why Abbott can't stand" Another shadow cabinet member saying they can't offer an opinion. Faiza Shaheen threatening legal action. All a bit of a mess which the Conservatives and SNP are seizing on.

The news coverage today was mainly left wing people accusing Starmer of a purge, picking on women of colour etc. A trouble making left when in power is probably what Starmer is trying to avoid.

Clearly an issue with messaging and damaging. How damaging who knows.

 

[ncurd]

Wondering is this is a monumental **** up by Starmer or if Abbott has actually played a blinder in outmanoeuvring the Labour executive.

I have the feeling Abbott hasn't actually officially asked to stand, but has just had behind the scenes chats and was told she's unlikely to be nominated. However, until she actually requests to stand, Labour can't officially say no. So she puts it off until close to the election to create the drama and try to get them to back down.

Yeah this Abbott playing games (well)

From what I can piece together:
Once she completed the training the exec told her they restore the whip if she agreed to stand down by the election.
Probably led to some to and throwing suspecting November election date over the past 3 months.
As its coming to a head next and after Corbyn everyone starts asking about Abbott
Abbott start briefing the press in piecemeal what's been going on.


I don't know if she's played a blinder other than possible saving her job as an MP. Its harmed Labour (unlike Corbyn) and it probably means she has less control over her successor than if this was resolved 3 months ago.
The **** up by Starmer was not saying shes completed the training and even though hed rather she didn't run time has run out. This could of been done at any point between Corbyn running and 2 days ago and nothing would of happened. To sit on a decision for two days and now until Tuesday is ******* stupid. 5 weeks from now it will probably be forgotten about but yeah big blunder.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Us lefties do like to fight amongst ourselves at critical times. I wouldn't mind betting Abbot would rather see the Tories win than Starmer in power.

 

[Saintjay]

Yeah this Abbott playing games (well)

From what I can piece together:
Once she completed the training the exec told her they restore the whip if she agreed to stand down by the election.
Probably led to some to and throwing suspecting November election date over the past 3 months.
As its coming to a head next and after Corbyn everyone starts asking about Abbott
Abbott start briefing the press in piecemeal what's been going on.


I don't know if she's played a blinder other than possible saving her job as an MP. Its harmed Labour (unlike Corbyn) and it probably means she has less control over her successor than if this was resolved 3 months ago.
The **** up by Starmer was not saying shes completed the training and even though hed rather she didn't run time has run out. This could of been done at any point between Corbyn running and 2 days ago and nothing would of happened. To sit on a decision for two days and now until Tuesday is ******* stupid. 5 weeks from now it will probably be forgotten about but yeah big blunder.

The problem started when someone leaked to Newsnight the investigation concluded December and she'd done her training in February. No idea why they didn't make the decision then i guess they hope it timed out.

The not making a decision whilst saying " It's not down to me it's down to the NEC". Whilst the majority of the NEC being pro-Starmer seems the issue. Rayners comments haven't helped. He'll will either have to accept Abbot as an MP now or it'll drag on.

 

[Reiser99]

The problem started when someone leaked to Newsnight the investigation concluded December and she'd done her training in February. No idea why they didn't make the decision then i guess they hope it timed out.

The not making a decision whilst saying " It's not down to me it's down to the NEC". Whilst the majority of the NEC being pro-Starmer seems the issue. Rayners comments haven't helped. He'll will either have to accept Abbot as an MP now or it'll drag on.

As I said, I think the NEC couldn't make an official decision until Abbott decided to officially stand.