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A Political Thread pt. 2

Bada-Bing! said:
So net loss of 2 seats for Tories. Shame about Uxbridge and Ruislip.
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Yeah looks like Uxbridge was just proving local factors still matter. And this was the constituency that voted in Boris "I'll lie down in front of the bulldozers, oh look I didn't even turn up to the vote" Johnson. So you'd have thought they'd be very aware of Tory lies.
 
Khan and Ulez might be a thorn in the side to Labour. Where i live a conservative councillor was voted in simply because of local issues and a proposed congestion charge by Labour. Conservatives haven't had a look in here for years. The problem is i see for Labour is local decision making could damage the chances of a majority government which I'd prefer. I'm not sure how a Labour / Libs coalition would play out but the Tories will certainly play on the coalition of chaos.
 
Yeah local issues directly led to 3 Tory councillors getting booted out 2 months ago in my area for 3 Lib dems.
 
Saintjay said:
Khan and Ulez might be a thorn in the side to Labour.
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It'll be like housing, green policy will poll great. The second it actually makes a difference in your lives people will go mad.

Not to also mention the reality of impact vs fear I drive a BMW 4 Series and I wouldn't pay anything under ULEZ. So how many people does it actually effect?
 
ncurd said:
It'll be like housing, green policy will poll great. The second it actually makes a difference in your lives people will go mad.

Not to also mention the reality of impact vs fear I drive a BMW 4 Series and I wouldn't pay anything under ULEZ. So how many people does it actually effect?
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Difficult to tell i think. You have total population of the expansion combined with people travelling in and out the area on a daily basis. You get various stats on the percentage of non-compliant vehicles fitting into those.

It's not necessarily about how many people does it really effect. Does if effect enough people to impact on Labours vote share. Going by Rayners comments today Labour thinks it does.
 
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Saintjay said:
Difficult to tell i think. You have total population of the expansion combined with people travelling in and out the area on a daily basis. You get various stats on the percentage of non-compliant vehicles fitting into those.

It's not necessarily about how many people does it really effect. Does if effect enough people to impact on Labours vote share. Going by Rayners comments today Labour thinks it does.
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I don't think it does effect enough people, the idea of it and scaremongering means more people think they effected by it than they are.

Which is why I used my example I assumed when I drove into London last year my car wouldn't be exempt. Put in the license plate and discovered it was. I had to tell my wife multiple times I'd checked as she didn't belive me.

Apply that to an entire constituency on a hot button issue and it will have a major effect.

We have evidence this has a case with the EU and lies about what it did and how much the voting public believed them.
 
ncurd said:
I don't think it does effect enough people, the idea of it and scaremongering means more people think they effected by it than they are.

Which is why I used my example I assumed when I drove into London last year my car wouldn't be exempt. Put in the license plate and discovered it was. I had to tell my wife multiple times I'd checked as she didn't belive me.

Apply that to an entire constituency on a hot button issue and it will have a major effect.

We have evidence this has a case with the EU and lies about what it did and how much the voting public believed them.
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Isn't the whole thing particularly ridiculous because the Tories were big pushers of the ULEZ in the first place? They are essentially fighting against one of their own policies.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Isn't the whole thing particularly ridiculous because the Tories were big pushers of the ULEZ in the first place? They are essentially fighting against one of their own policies.
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No idea sounds like a Tory policy though call it Ultra-Low but don't actually include the most polluting cars. Actually big suprise to which Tory! Not.
The Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) is an area in London, England where a fee is charged for driving the most polluting vehicles. Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019.
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Saintjay said:
It's not necessarily about how many people does it really effect. Does if effect enough people to impact on Labours vote share. Going by Rayners comments today Labour thinks it does.
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Not just how many, but also who.

If it's hitting the White Van Man, who's seeing 2-3 other homeowners a day, and bitching to each and every one of them that "it's a tax on working" then over a few weeks, you've got a lot of pissed off people for not many affected.

IIRC the ULEZ will affect about 10% of vehicles already in that area; but if it affects 40% of transit vans, then opposition will run rampant.
 
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Which Tyler said:
Not just how many, but also who.

If it's hitting the White Van Man, who's seeing 2-3 other homeowners a day, and bitching to each and every one of them that "it's a tax of working" then over a few weeks, you've got a lot of pissed off people for not many affected.

IIRC the ULEZ will affect about 10% of vehicles already in that area; but if it affects 40% of transit vans, then opposition will run rampant.
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From a brief look as I'm working. The RAC have it as a total of 851,065 ulez uncompliant vehicles registered in the Greater London. Doesn't necessarily mean they are being used. You then have an estimated 200,000 non-compliant vehicles coming in and out of the expansion area daily.

The consulation came back as out of a total 57,937 replies, 59% of respondents to this question said that the expansion should not be implemented, rising to 80% of business owners and 79% of workers in outer London (the area affected by the expansion).

So i think your right lot's of p*ssed of people with very few impacted upon. How this translates into votes i guess time will tell.
 
ncurd said:
Not to also mention the reality of impact vs fear I drive a BMW 4 Series and I wouldn't pay anything under ULEZ. So how many people does it actually effect?
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But if you had got the optional indicator pack, that'd have bumped up fuel consumption enough that you would be getting charged.
 
McTallshort said:
BMWs have an indicator pack? Must be expensive because I've never seen one
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It is - and it says much for the people who buy new BMWs* that they aren't inclined to thinking of specc'ing it...


*tbh - anyone who buys a brand new car is mental given depreciation!
 
Amiga500 said:
*tbh - anyone who buys a brand new car is mental given depreciation!
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Someone has to buy new cars or else there wouldn't be second hand cars.

I understand this is an attempt at a joke about BMW drivers, but you aren't even paying for packs to be added anymore…. Some of the features in mine are already there, but you have to pay to activate them.

Micro transactions have made their way into the car market.
 
ncurd said:
One of these cars is a BMW

www.bbc.co.uk

Lincolnshire Police warn man seen 'cleaning' car moving at 60mph

The man was stretching from one car to another on the A1 in Lincolnshire for "banter", police say.
www.bbc.co.uk

Just sayin'
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I would say I am surprised but nothing I see on the road anymore surprises me. Caught so many idiots on the road since I started wearing a camera cycling and even idiots that aren't driving. I despair at the human race sometimes.
 

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