A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

But its informative that you dont have to be right wing to poop on trans people for political gain (but it helps!).

Its lost a bit meaning now but there's a reason why TERF stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist

Absolutely not a left/right wing issue currently as it social rather than economic therefore being used by the right as a wedge issue. Which is leading to the left not engaging with with it to stop it becoming one.

 

[McTallshort]

The whole Trans rights things in politics reminds me of fox hunting in politics. 90 odd %of the population didn't give a **** about it, it made absolutely no difference to the running of the country, it was unimportant to the daily lives of nearly everyone but would absolutely polarise opinion when it came up for public debate in a way other things never could.

Has anyone actually asked Trans people what they want?

 

[Reiser99]

Personally the reality is the politics and general discourse in this country has become so childish that it's almost impossible to have a proper conversation about anything.

 

[ncurd]

Has anyone actually asked Trans people what they want?

Yes there was a public consultation in which many of my trans friends participated.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9079/CBP-9079.pdf

Which is pretty much what the Scottish government implemented, and was suggested by the consultation conducted by the UK government. There is quibbling under the age one can apply and length living as that gender ultimately removing the barrier requiring a gender dysmorphia diagnosis is what they are asking for.

The next stage of complication comes under elective surgeries and I'm unsure if there is a consensus on that one.

 

[Saintjay]

I think the whole thing is a mess. In my work it is a disciplinary offence to not use a person's pronouns. I am not fussed at all but others see it as a massive over reaction. You've also now a situation when a trans member of staff has asked to join a work menopause group. Very much like the women's only space arguments in the press. The menopause thing has caused uproar.

 

[ncurd]

I think the whole thing is a mess. In my work it is a disciplinary offence to not use a person's pronouns. I am not fussed at all but others see it as a massive over reaction. You've also now a situation when a trans member of staff has asked to join a work menopause group. Very much like the women's only space arguments in the press. The menopause thing has caused uproar.

Unsure why someone who can't have menopause is asking to join that group. Unless it F2M in which case absolutely they should be allowed to join. Most trans people i know are F2M.

On disciplinary offence it depends if its accidental it shouldnt be but if its deliberate it absolutely should be. Its about treating colleagues with respect. No diffrent to if I kept calling the religious guys I work with bible bashers or using ethnic slurs.

 

[Saintjay]

You can have menopause symptoms evidently. Especially if hormones are involved. I don't know the exact details. Also as a woman they should be allowed to join a womans group is the argument circulating. Just because they don't have female body parts doesn't exclude them from other groups so why would this group be different. I don't know the answer, as I said it is all a mess.

My place of work has gone in heavy handed on the pronouns thing in my view. We have some staff with no qualifications left school before 16 etc. They struggle to understand it. It could have done with better messaging and training. We have "banter" training every few years. It could have run with that.

 

[McTallshort]

Sounds like a right can of worms

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Gavin]

NI will burn: UVF’s chilling warning over new ‘betrayal’

SENIOR UVF figures have warned loyalists will “wreck the place” and “the streets will be in flames” if any Brexit deal between the UK and EU does not scrap the Irish Sea border.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

SENIOR UVF figures have warned loyalists will "wreck the place" and "the streets will be in flames" if any Brexit deal between the UK and EU does not scrap the Irish Sea border.

Talk of a NI Protocol deal being passed to Parliament on Monday. Going to be a fun week in NI politics

 

[ncurd]

Ultimately a good thing for Labour, Bergers treatment due to a lack of proper disciplinary procedures was a real black mark.

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

First woman Commons Speaker Betty Boothroyd dies

Sir Lindsay Hoyle described her as an "inspirational woman" who was known for her "no-nonsense style".

www.bbc.co.uk

RIP.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Sounds like a right can of worms

Indeed. One I'm very happy to admit my complete ignorance on which is why I don't say anything and people think I'm a fool than open my mouth and remove all doubt as the saying goes. As you say a right old can of worms.

My advice is, where possible, to avoid talking to anyone at work. Especially if they're English rugby fans after a England victory in Cardiff.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I was this many days old when I learned that apparently Jimmy Carter was one of the guys who led an operation to shut down and clean up one of the first ever nuclear reactor disasters in the world, including running into the reactor himself to carry out his part of the process. It's staggering really, you think a pretty humble guy with a peanut farm was viewed as an utterly failed president due to a variety of events beyond his control during his single term and yet you have a complete arsehole who never did anything to help anyone else and is a continued corrupt disgrace in the form of Trump and the supporters still view him as one of the best ever.

Really highlights the cult mentality of Trumpers and the far right atm.

 

[BrokenWing]

Being a good nuclear engineer doesn't necessarily make you a good president I suppose.

However, being an idiot doesn't make a lot of people good judges of a successful president either.

 

[ncurd]

So Rishi in possibly the first major victory for the conservatives in 18 months? Gonna be great to watch them rely on Labour votes to get it through.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-64779415

 

[Reiser99]

Definitely don't think it's simply going to pass. Will the DUP come back to Stormont with this deal? Will violence increase because of it? How many Tory MPs will rebel? Definitely not a done deal yet.

 

[ncurd]

Definitely don't think it's simply going to pass. Will the DUP come back to Stormont with this deal? Will violence increase because of it? How many Tory MPs will rebel? Definitely not a done deal yet.

The DUP don't give a **** they'll be completely unreasonable. And lets be clear no one in Westminster gives a **** about NI. If they did we'd have never of on done Brexit in the first place.

Rishi needs a huge rebellion to be an issue but even them I suspect Labour will support it unless there's something truly egregious in there because the alternative is complete economic disaster.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It will be pretty funny if Sunak faces a huge Tory rebellion and only gets it through with Labour support, it undermines many of his go-to arguments in Commons and just ends up making him look weak rather than achieving anything whilst making Labour look willing to be bipartisan whilst the Tories dig their heels in. If that's then followed up with a back bench rebellion and no confidence vote... Well let's say that could be the end of the Tories.