A Political Thread pt. 2

[The Seeker]

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Didn't NI already get a **** load of UK tax payers' cash when Theresa May p1ssed away the Tory majority at the snap election and then had to go cap in hand to the DUP with a cash bribe to scrape together a majority? Throw in the benefits of single market access and they've hit the fecking jackpot although you wouldn't think it the way the DUP are acting.

Investment is a venture to realise profit. Don't think I'd class any money that has ever gone towards the Irish question as investment, especially when it's left in the control of Stormont.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

I think you've been knocking back a few too many single use plastic buckfasts if you are contesting a factually accurate remark.

Wait 23 years for a Scottish Parliament Bill to be vetoed then get two in a month. Or perhaps our resident sage NMBS considers this pure coincidence and a honest Tory response to each instance, whereas there was no issue with the preceding 276 months of legislation.

Naive Mike's BS

LOLZ!

 

[Gavin]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

This deal could have been struck in 2021 – but the last thing Brexiters wanted was to get Brexit done | Fintan O'Toole

The leave ultras rely on their Eurosceptic grievances – no wonder Boris Johnson created the disastrous protocol, says Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Seeker]

Fox News hosts thought Trump’s election fraud claims were ‘total BS’, court filings show

Comments by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham revealed in $1.6bn Dominion defamation lawsuit

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Fox News hosts thought Trump’s election fraud claims were ‘total BS’, court filings show

Comments by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham revealed in $1.6bn Dominion defamation lawsuit

www.theguardian.com

Really can't wait for that cesspit to be torn to shreds and for the full extent of the lies of the far right to be thrown in their faces. Of course all those nutters who blindly followed what Fox said won't admit they were duped, this will just be yet another conspiracy to them, attempting to "silence" the truth. That's the issue with these fuckwits, every outcome is twisted to support their pre-conceived views. Evidence presented of fraud? Well there's the fraud! No evidence of fraud and those peddling it legally found to have been lying? Well it's a cover up and conspiracy. There is no set of circumstances these people will accept to change their minds.

Someone I know thinks there mere possibility that fraud and a cover up could happen is good enough reason to assume it therefore did, despite whatever the evidence says. Suffice to say he is far right, genetic purity level...

 

[Reiser99]

Should have guess who said it.

Poor families more resourceful in past, says top Tory Lee Anderson

Deputy party chair Lee Anderson says "our garden was our foodbank" when he grew up in a mining town.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Should have guess who said it.

Poor families more resourceful in past, says top Tory Lee Anderson

Deputy party chair Lee Anderson says "our garden was our foodbank" when he grew up in a mining town.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ah yeah, the old "you're only poor because you aren't slaving away for someone richer enough" attitude.

 

[Amiga500]

It will be interesting to see exactly what the DUP and hardline Brexiteers will object to. If what is is being said is going to be delivered then what more do they want other than having the protocol scrapped entirely, which is never going to happen.

The DUP need to go to their bosses in the UDA and see what they want.

The crowd that made much of "Sinn Fein-IRA" were always involved with loyalist paramilitaries (part of the reason McGuinness and Paisley got on so well back in the day - both knew where all the skeletons were buried) - and previous deals have been rejected after the DUP went back to the loyalist paramilitaries "to study the legal text" and were told "no".

Probably should be referred to more as "DUP-UDA" these days.


In terms of the deal, from what little bits I read, seems OK bar the stormont brake. Threshold for its invocation is not high enough and would give scope for trouble makers to make trouble.

In terms of what Rishi should do to force the DUPs hand - easy. If they don't get their obstructionist asses back into Stormont, tell them the UK govt will (i) set up a new ruling council of NI with members drawn from both Westminster and the Dail and (ii) commission a border poll... and follow through if he has to.

 

[ncurd]

I love Kemi thinks she's center-right that was Cameron's coalition government were mile from that now.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

MI5 missed ‘significant opportunity’ to prevent Manchester Arena bombing

Report into atrocity concludes failure to act on intelligence means ‘realistic possibility’ to stop plot was missed

www.theguardian.com

Pretty damming of UK security services in the case of Abedi.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Soooo... Sue Gray?

Big tactical mistake from both her and Starmer imo, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I think the bigger mistake is why we had a PM who can't do basic Maths when calculating death rate of a deadly pandemic.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Soooo... Sue Gray?

Big tactical mistake from both her and Starmer imo, it just doesn't make any sense.

Is there any reason to believe that any of the conclusions she drew were in any way false? If not then it's typical Tory detection tactics. If they can produce evidence of anything untoward in how she conducted herself during the investigation then I'll listen but if it's little more than Tory mud slinging, nah I don't care about their whining.

 

[ncurd]

Is there any reason to believe that any of the conclusions she drew were in any way false? If not then it's typical Tory detection tactics. If they can produce evidence of anything untoward in how she conducted herself during the investigation then I'll listen but if it's little more than Tory mud slinging, nah I don't care about their whining.

I think its a tactical mistake in that they will and can mudsling and smear despite there being no evidence to the contrary.

The idea Ms. Grey did anything untoward in the investigation would be laughable to anyone with a interest in politics but we know the public at large don't give a **** about that.

That said I think it'll amount to nothing unless they want to bring Johnson back but its multiple scandals and a lack of action on energy prices and inflation that bought him down. It'll shift some people and is a tactical mistake but not a massive blunder that will have any outcome of significance.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think its a tactical mistake in that they will and can mudsling and smear despite there being no evidence to the contrary.

The idea Ms. Grey did anything untoward in the investigation would be laughable to anyone with a interest in politics but we know the public at large don't give a **** about that.

That said I think it'll amount to nothing unless they want to bring Johnson back but its multiple scandals and a lack of action on energy prices and inflation that bought him down. It'll shift some people and is a tactical mistake but not a massive blunder that will have any outcome of significance.

I'd argue that Starmer should just push back and flat out ask the Tories if they are accusing her of any wrong doing it have any reason to think that is the case. If yes, demand evidence. If no, demand they stop baseless accusations. This only becomes an issue if there is actual evidence or if the smears go unchallenged.

Hell it can easily be turned signs as the Tories are baselessly carrying out a petty, vindictive attack for revenge only on an innocent.

 

[ncurd]

I'd argue that Starmer should just push back and flat out ask the Tories if they are accusing her of any wrong doing it have any reason to think that is the case. If yes, demand evidence. If no, demand they stop baseless accusations. This only becomes an issue if there is actual evidence or if the smears go unchallenged.

Hell it can easily be turned signs as the Tories are baselessly carrying out a petty, vindictive attack for revenge only on an innocent.

That all fine with rational people but after Brexit I think we've proven that people aren't rational with the facts put before them.