So 15 million people are thick for voting Brexit and need to own it. Anyone who voted Brexit on this forum is thick?
On this basis I'd like to see all those who endorsed or supported Corbyn acknowledge that they enabled this Tory shower and were thick for supporting him.
Anyone who endorsed Starmer when he took over because as Owen Jones noted Starmer pledged to stick with Corbyn policies to gain votes. He's since dropped them and simply lied to get power. So the Labour membership are thick for believing him and also need to own it.
Depends on the reasoning for voting for it but yes, certainly everyone who voted for it needs to own it. People may have been misled etc but those who voted for it to blame those who voted against it is just ridiculous. Also those who continue to support it and continue to find excuses, yes quite frankly at this stage they are thick. Even if we work on the assumption that Brexit could have been workable at the start and relatively smooth, the idea that we haven't royally ****** it up and there is still a lot of work to do is just simple denial of reality. The thing to remember is these problems were completely foreseeable and I very clearly remember the Brexit response to them, "project fear". We were told there would be issues with the border with Ireland, we were told there would be issues with free trade, we were told we would struggle to negotiate better trade deals with the rest of the world. You know what we are being told now? That wiping tons of EU legislation from the books in a few months time if they haven't been re-written into UK law is going to be a disaster. Want to bet how that is going to turn out if we go ahead with it? I think the government will be talked away from it as it is stupid and driven purely by dogma. To continue to claim the Tories can navigate us through Brexit after multiple years of fuckups largely of their making that simply didn't need to happen is also thick. At some point people need to hold their hands up and admit they were duped if nothing else. Basic understanding of geopolitics and economics could have told anyone the "we hold all the cards", "The German auto companies will force Merkel to give us a good deal", "we will continue to have all the perks with none of the responsibilities" would have told you that that was a load of nonsense, even assuming both sides went in with the best will in the world.
However anyone who was believing the $400 million bus promise, the claims of being dictated to by Brussels, the claims of ridiculous legislation that nobody can actually point to, the claims of us having no say in the EU, the claims the EU is out to get us and is constantly strong arming us (when we had more concessions and exceptions than any other country in the EU) etc etc, nope those were from points of complete ignorance and I have no time for those people. They didn't go in with an honest opinion and were merely misled, they were looking to be misled, they actively sought out and clung to the lies, no matter how much it was pointed out to them.
As for Starmer, he's not perfect and has lied, that much is clear. Corbyn likewise had policies that were outdated and supported by too few people to be electable. However it's a matter of scale, the lies and damage from the Tories vastly outweighs any Labour have done under Starmer. The whole antisemitism thing was shown to be driven by a predominantly right wing media with an agenda, conveniently ignoring the same or greater levels of antisemitism and prejudice in the Tory party over the same time period. If you have a standard, it must be applied equally. If you think lying is a problem, then you should on balance be more against the Tories than Labour for their recent form. In fact what accusations can really be levelled against Labour now that don't apply as much if not more against the Tories? People seem to be forgetting just how unprecedented the level of deceitful scumbaggery the Tories are involved in now. Even past Tory leaders such as Thatcher had some sense of honour and adhering to a code of conduct, not the current crop. Not a shred of decency or integrity among any of them.
So tl;dr, yes after years of hearing "you lost, get over it", I think it's very fair to say "You won, ******* own it".
