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A Political Thread pt. 2

Gavin said:
I guess it depends what comes from the investigation of the attack at Dover.

If it turns out his social media was full of right-wing hatred and evidence of him discussing it with others, does that make it terrorism?
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In my mind if there is evidence of a conspiracy and planning with others yes.

The police should be absolutely looking for that evidence though and treating it as if it could exist.
 
I think the main underlying link between lone wolf terrorism and network terrorists is hate. Hatred of themselves, hatred of where they fit into society or that they don't or where they think society is going.

The modern day radicalisation online has only made it easier and worse for an individual to manifest their hatred. Distinguishing between conspiracy, encouragement and just communications between like minded people is next to impossible.

It only takes will on their part to look up how to improvise a devise to cause massive harm. Luckily in this case no one was killed and only minor injuries.

That's why I think authorities will always have a hell of a job preventing lone wolf type terrorism.
 
Scandalous decision in the middle of a cost of living crisis. A bank holiday costs the economy £2.9bn and guess who pays for it via tax rises or public services cuts. Why couldn't they just hold the coronation one week earlier on 1st May when a bank holiday was already scheduled. Madness.

www.bbc.co.uk

Extra bank holiday approved to mark King's coronation

The holiday will fall on Monday, 8 May, two days after the coronation of King Charles III.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
The Oggmonster said:
Scandalous decision in the middle of a cost of living crisis. A bank holiday costs the economy £2.9bn and guess who pays for it via tax rises or public services cuts. Why couldn't they just hold the coronation one week earlier on 1st May when a bank holiday was already scheduled. Madness.

www.bbc.co.uk

Extra bank holiday approved to mark King's coronation

The holiday will fall on Monday, 8 May, two days after the coronation of King Charles III.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Its ridiculous we have three that month now. After two this year I thought the entire point of it being a Saturday was to alleviate some pressure. Guess not
 
Bada-Bing! said:
www.theguardian.com

Britain is on a highway to hell – and the Tories are about to make life even harder | Andrew Rawnsley

Some may believe that things can’t get much worse, but more tax rises and cuts to public spending will soon rid them of that illusion
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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If I'm being generous, whoever is in government now will do something that won't be liked. Truss tried the cut taxes method and it blew up in her face. Sunak is doing the opposite and it's going to be massively unpopular too. However, the issue is less the unpopular action they take now but the decade of mismanagement preceding it that led to this. The Tories had over a decade to make the economy more robust and, on their watch, debt has gone up, earnings have gone down, productivity has fallen off a cliff, house prices have skyrocketed, social mobility has collapsed, rent and mortgages are making up a larger share of earnings, income inequality has risen at the highest rate on record and this is all before Covid and the current crisis.

Add to their their push for privatisation of utilities and short termism is a large part of what has made us get hit so hard by the current rising costs, with an energy grid more dependent on gas than any other in the developed world whilst simultaneously having some of the smallest gas storage and reserves in the developed world. They had a knee jerk reaction to funding nuclear and pulled the rug from under renewables funding and improving energy efficiency in homes. They have gutted the watchdogs looking over utilities companies and have overseen mass profits to big dogs at water companies whilst not holding them accountable to the decaying state of their networks.

They have allowed the whole British economy and infrastructure to fall into disrepair through neglect in order to pad out the earnings of the already wealthy. Covid and the current war in Ukraine didn't create this crisis, they simply ripped away the façade the Tories have tried to keep up over the British economy and infrastructure while they stripped it of all value. THAT is why they need to go more than what is currently being proposed. They also should not be allowed to swan back in after someone else has fixed it and take the credit. Britain has been like a tower of cards for a while now with serious structural problems not being addressed and, in many cases, even exacerbated. Some of this extends back beyond the current Tories but the majority of it has sat firmly within their ability to act on it and they haven't. 1.5 decades of Tory mismanagement could cause 2 or even 3 decades of damage and take that long to repair. They have utterly ****** the country.

This is why just because some twat goes to Eton then Oxbridge, it doesn't mean he is fit to rule, much as these smug arseholes have that belief rammed into their heads from birth. We need to move away from this very small group of arrogant "elite" thinking they have a god-given right to rule when they are mediocre at best and destructive at worst.
 


I know James O'Brian is up his own backside but seriously, listen to what a load of **** the Brexit campaigners were spreading prior to the referendum. Can any Brexit support say any of this was even close to reality?
 
Ragey Erasmus said:


I know James O'Brian is up his own backside but seriously, listen to what a load of **** the Brexit campaigners were spreading prior to the referendum. Can any Brexit support say any of this was even close to reality?
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One of the main problems is that very few people are willing to attribute today's problems to Brexit. I know Ian Blackford does it in Westminster but Starmer and Labour won't go near it as they know it will cost them politically. Putin is an easy target to blame everything on. Even the Bank of the England Governor doesn't do it - probably because he's been told to steer clear of it given how divisive it is. I mean, the EU are also affected by Putin and it can't be that hard to benchmark the UK against EU countries to see how badly Brexit is going.

I used to be against Scottish independence but Brexit has made me change my mind and I would now welcome it given that 62% of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and things like that video show it to be nothing less than a massive con. It seems like a fair of ensuring that more people get what they voted for. Yes it would be mean being ruled by Brussels but I would have more faith in them than the current shower in Westminster.
 
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The Oggmonster said:
One of the main problems is that very few people are willing to attribute today's problems to Brexit. I know Ian Blackford does it in Westminster but Starmer and Labour won't go near it as they know it will cost them politically. Putin is an easy target to blame everything on. Even the Bank of the England Governor doesn't do it - probably because he's been told to steer clear of it given how divisive it is. I mean, the EU are also affected by Putin and it can't be that hard to benchmark the UK against EU countries to see how badly Brexit is going.

I used to be against Scottish independence but Brexit has made me change my mind and I would now welcome it given that 62% of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and things like that video show it to be nothing less than a massive con. It seems like a fair of ensuring that more people get what they voted for. Yes it would be mean being ruled by Brussels but I would have more faith in them than the current shower in Westminster.
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Would an independent Scotland be in an economic position to apply for EU membership? Genuine question as I have heard various things from various sources
 
And don't other EU countries still have a veto? Like Spain would unlikely vote for Scotland to join to stop setting a precedent for Catalonia to secede and do the same.
 
Tallshort said:
Would an independent Scotland be in an economic position to apply for EU membership? Genuine question as I have heard various things from various sources
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Probably not immediately but I imagine it would happen within five years or so. There is a specific process to follow and criteria to satisfy before countries can apply to join. The EU has been making noises about expanding and so I would imagine both sides would be keen. I would expect the EU to stay tight lipped on the matter (for political reasons) while Scotland is still part of the UK.
 
Bada-Bing! said:
And don't other EU countries still have a veto? Like Spain would unlikely vote for Scotland to join to stop setting a precedent for Catalonia to secede and do the same.
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Hmm not sure about that tbh. If Germany and France are in favour of Scotland joining then I would imagine they would lean on Spain to make it happen - similar to Turkey trying to veto Sweden and Finland applying to join NATO.
 
The Oggmonster said:
Hmm not sure about that tbh. If Germany and France are in favour of Scotland joining then I would imagine they would lean on Spain to make it happen - similar to Turkey trying to veto Sweden and Finland applying to join NATO.
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Uk Govt. paper before Brexit. Point 2.55 each member has a veto both over the ability of a member to join and terms.

I am not sure why Germany and France would lean on Spain to allow Scotland to join. Spain's vote is their own and they'd have every incentive to block Scotland to protect sovereignty over Basque and Catalonia regions not following suit. Not impossible but suspect it would take a very long time. First to get out of Union and settle debts. Pensions and NIC would be a big headache, then to make application etc.

But the whole vetoing membership was one of the reasons why Britain would find it hard to rejoin, even if we wanted to. it was why during Brexit the whole UK could veto Turkey's application for membership was not emphasised enough and the whole narrative that they would join and nothing we could do about it took hold and I suspect contributed to leave vote winning, along with the other lies.
 
Bada-Bing! said:

Uk Govt. paper before Brexit. Point 2.55 each member has a veto both over the ability of a member to join and terms.

I am not sure why Germany and France would lean on Spain to allow Scotland to join. Spain's vote is their own and they'd have every incentive to block Scotland to protect sovereignty over Basque and Catalonia regions not following suit. Not impossible but suspect it would take a very long time. First to get out of Union and settle debts. Pensions and NIC would be a big headache, then to make application etc.

But the whole vetoing membership was one of the reasons why Britain would find it hard to rejoin, even if we wanted to. it was why during Brexit the whole UK could veto Turkey's application for membership was not emphasised enough and the whole narrative that they would join and nothing we could do about it took hold and I suspect contributed to leave vote winning, along with the other lies.
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I think France and Germany are the ones keen to expand the EU and although Spain is big European country I always got the impression that France and Germany were the EU's two heavyweights/founding fathers. Who knows - maybe Spain would veto it or maybe they'll come up with a technicality that differentiates Scotland from Catalan. If Brexit negotiations were anything to go by then Scotland's divorce deal with the UK would be just as messy if not worse.
 
Biggest hurdle for Scotland to get over it the border with England.

If Scotland leave and want to join the EU then border checks are required (as per the stuff going on with the NI Protocol).

Of course by then there could be a Labour government in the UK which would hopefully push for Single Market / Customs Union membership. That would make independence easier for Scotland and perhaps reduce the likelihood of a 'YES' vote
 
Ragey Erasmus said:


Far right French lawmaker decides it's ok to shout racist remarks in their chambers. We are on a sad path if the rise of far right movements across the western world go unchecked. To think this **** is seeping more and more into our society and being accepted.
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seriously, that would be immediate dismissal for gross misconduct in the private sector
 
Gavin said:
Of course by then there could be a Labour government in the UK which would hopefully push for Single Market / Customs Union membership. That would make independence easier for Scotland and perhaps reduce the likelihood of a 'YES' vote
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Starmer doesn't even want to talk about it let alone consider rejoining the EU either. Corbyn was absolutely useless during the Brexit vote campaign and post because he doesn't care for the EU either.
It's toxic for Labour as much as it is Tories, with their loss of vote in the "red wall" seats. I've yet to see or hear what Davy is saying on it and Greens,

That's why I think it'll take another 40 odd years at least until this generation see what an utter disaster Brexit is and any chance of rejoining and even then we'd have to get the back of the queue and rightly so.

But agree on point on border with Scotland.
 

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