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So largest hike in interest rates in decades and the longest recession on record predicted. Well that is a nice change of pace from all the economic prosperity I have enjoyed in my life since A levels...
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Can the US live in Xi Jinping's world?
Mr Xi's vision is in stark contrast to what the West had hoped for from decades of trade and engagement.
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BBC News - Boris Johnson had backing to challenge Rishi Sunak, Sir Graham Brady confirms
If true the Johnson did have the NUM better to challenge Sunak, that is a perfect example of why the Tories are not fit to govern any more. At no point in this country's history could such a disgraced PM hope to return, and certainly not after being forced out only a month and a half before. The Tories are not fit to govern, they must be removed ASAP.
Boris Johnson had backing to challenge Rishi Sunak, Sir Graham Brady confirms
Sir Graham Brady says the former PM had enough nominations to stand in the race to replace Liz Truss.
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If true the Johnson did have the NUM better to challenge Sunak, that is a perfect example of why the Tories are not fit to govern any more. At no point in this country's history could such a disgraced PM hope to return, and certainly not after being forced out only a month and a half before. The Tories are not fit to govern, they must be removed ASAP.
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BBC News - Boris Johnson had backing to challenge Rishi Sunak, Sir Graham Brady confirms
Boris Johnson had backing to challenge Rishi Sunak, Sir Graham Brady confirms
Sir Graham Brady says the former PM had enough nominations to stand in the race to replace Liz Truss.www.bbc.co.uk
If true the Johnson did have the NUM better to challenge Sunak, that is a perfect example of why the Tories are not fit to govern any more. At no point in this country's history could such a disgraced PM hope to return, and certainly not after being forced out only a month and a half before. The Tories are not fit to govern, they must be removed ASAP.
It's no coincidence that he has re-surfaced since Sunak took office. Going to COP27 and giving interviews on Ukraine etc. Clearly he sees these two areas as low hanging fruit to boost his profile and undermine Sunak. I note that he's steering clear of the cost of living crisis and the economy.
Johnson is the worst PM in modern times and that's up against some pretty stiff competition including David Cameron who asked the Treasury for taxpayer funds to bail out his failed Greenshill capital investment.
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Far right French lawmaker decides it's ok to shout racist remarks in their chambers. We are on a sad path if the rise of far right movements across the western world go unchecked. To think this **** is seeping more and more into our society and being accepted.
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I predicted the 2008 crash – these are the global 'megathreats' I can see now | Nouriel Roubini
Life as we know it is under threat, as short-term-thinking politicians ignore the signs that point to a dystopian future, says Nouriel Roubini
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Dover migrant centre attack driven by right-wing ideology - police
Andrew Leak threw up to three incendiary devices at the site in Dover, Kent, last Sunday.
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Dover migrant centre attack driven by right-wing ideology - police
Andrew Leak threw up to three incendiary devices at the site in Dover, Kent, last Sunday.www.bbc.co.uk
Then you have views like this, which IMO is disgusting, it's terrorism with a capital T
TBF the BBC article calls it terrorism.
I'd rather we didn't and not because it's distinct from middle Eastern or Irish. I think it need to be organised effort by a group with training and a plan to cause more harm.
In my mind there need to be a conspiracy and the conspiracy needs to have a leadership element who intend to plan and create further incidents.
This is how it starts though.
I'd rather we didn't and not because it's distinct from middle Eastern or Irish. I think it need to be organised effort by a group with training and a plan to cause more harm.
In my mind there need to be a conspiracy and the conspiracy needs to have a leadership element who intend to plan and create further incidents.
This is how it starts though.
Definition: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
It's terrorism, just not organised or part of a wider group as far as we know.
It's terrorism, just not organised or part of a wider group as far as we know.
I know the definition, I think its too broad and a diffrent term is needed to seperate it.
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Lone terrorist and terrorists.
The former as in this case and other lone wolfs are so much harder for authorities to detect and follow but are still terrorists. No Conspiracy required to be one.
Lee Harvey Oswald is a classic one and got turned into a Martyr by the Americans looking for a conspiracy and still to this day.
So you want to make terrorism more nuanced? State sponsored jihadist terrorism is very bad. Guy throwing petrol bombs on his own is still bad, but not too bad.
I know you're not trying to excuse it or make seem it's not as bad as it is, but that's how it comes across. Terrorism is terrorism regardless of if a person acts alone or as part of a global state-sponsored network. If we change the language and try to categorise different levels then it sets a bad precedent and allows those who would make excuses the opportunity to try and water down the act.
"Yes, he threw a petrol bomb, but it could be worse. He could be running an international terror group."
The context doesn't matter, these people are trying to use violence and intimidation to meet a political goal. Also while this man may have been personally working alone, his actions will have influenced and inspired others even without directly contacting them. He's part of an ideology that believes it can force people to change their views. When not in power it's terrorism and when in power it's authoritarianism and a dictatorship.
I know you and I would both hope that people are intelligent enough to see the differences between different terrorists, but we both know that's not the case. However, classifying terrorists differently does not help. I haven't read all the different articles on this incident but I am sure very few if any make reference to his skin colour, ethnicity or religion. Many people will already see him as a normal guy who was just really upset, but those jihadist are inhuman monsters. There is no difference between them. They are all terrorists and they are all equally abhorrent.
Happy with the reasoned response. I thinknwe need to try to normalise more nuanced language in our everyday. It's why we see such disparity between sentencing and people don't understand it. Because in the eyes of the law there is a difference and rightly so.
It's one of those where I wish we'd treat complex subjects as actually being complex. The simplification is part the reasonnthe arsehole did what he did.
It's one of those where I wish we'd treat complex subjects as actually being complex. The simplification is part the reasonnthe arsehole did what he did.
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Wasn't the Islamic terrorist who bombed the Manchester concert a lone wolf?
It wasn't planned by a group and it was claimed he was radicalised by rhetoric.
No difference between that attack and Dover, bar no one (other than the attacker) was injured
It wasn't planned by a group and it was claimed he was radicalised by rhetoric.
No difference between that attack and Dover, bar no one (other than the attacker) was injured
Mate our country can't even be nuanced enough to understand that reducing poverty and investing in rundown areas would actually reduce crime, be cheaper in the long run and more beneficial to society. It's certainly not ready for a more nuanced debate on terrorism.
You are right, not all terrorists are the same, their motivations and reasons are often very different. Hell many are victims of grooming and psychological manipulation. I'm happy for nuance when discussing motivations and how to stop terrorism. I don't think there should be any nuance about calling it terrorism.
I thought he was part of a small group that had international connections. His brother was caught right?
Yeah he just traveled back from Libya before commiting the crime. His brother was convicted of assisting him.
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I guess it depends what comes from the investigation of the attack at Dover.
If it turns out his social media was full of right-wing hatred and evidence of him discussing it with others, does that make it terrorism?
