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A Political Thread pt. 2

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I thought the Johnson government was a complete shambles but this is insane.
 
How much of a shitshow was this....bloody hell.

All hail Chaos with Ed Milliband

 
How much is the taxpayer shelling out in Ministerial Severance Payments? From what I can see it's generally 3 months salary if aged under 65, irrespective of period in office.
 
I saw Rees Mogg spouting a load of BS about how there was much confusion about whether or not this was a confidence vote. It's actually insulting to people's intelligence that he thinks we would buy that and that this wasn't carefully orchestrated.
 
The Oggmonster said:
I saw Rees Mogg spouting a load of BS about how there was much confusion about whether or not this was a confidence vote. It's actually insulting to people's intelligence that he thinks we would buy that and that this wasn't carefully orchestrated.
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It really wasn't carefully ochrestrated unless your name is Ed Milliband. MPs were being manhandled in the lobby and anger is huge. It was only benefitted those who want to bring down Truss.

Quite a high profile list after they forced MPs to vote against it.
 
oh I think there was confusion among the parliamentary members of whether or not it was a confidence vote. I have a feeling that JRM and Coffee knew what was going on.
 
Whips office not answering phone after resignation confusion
Ione Wells
Political correspondent
Earlier this evening, some Conservative MPs told the BBC that Chief Whip Wendy Morton had left her post following chaotic scenes in Parliament.
Business Secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg then told Sky News he was "not entirely clear" what the situation with the chief whip was.
We have been making phone calls to confirm whether she has resigned or quit - but so far it has not been confirmed and no one in the whips' office is currently answering calls.
We'll of course bring you the latest as we get it.

The deputy prime minister, Thérèse Coffey, has said the chief whip, Wendy Morton, did a "great job" with the fracking vote.

Speaking to reporters outside the Carlton Club in central London, where Cabinet members were meeting on Wednesday evening, the close Liz Trussally said: "It was a great victory today for the chief whip, great credit to her.

"The chief whip did a great job."

Rumours have been swirling all evening that both Wendy Morton and Craig Whittaker, the deputy chief whip, have resigned their posts.

Liz Truss does not vote in fracking motion

No votes were recorded for 40 Tory MPs including Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, David Davis, Greg Clark, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Kwasi Kwarteng, Theresa May, Wendy Morton, Alok Sharma, Priti Patel and Ben Wallace, Sky News is reporting.

This is despite a three-line whip and all Tories being told earlier they must vote in favour of the government. Some may be on holiday or on government business.
In the wake of the chaos, Penny Mordaunt, the Commons leader, was seen trying to calm a group of mostly female MPs who had gathered to discuss what they witnessed. Mordaunt was seen encouraging witnesses to send her evidence or further details on WhatsApp
Veteran Tory backbencher Charles Walker, who is due to step down as an MP at the next election, said the scenes on Wednesday were "inexcusable". "I think it's a shambles and a disgrace," a visibly shaken Walker told the BBC, before railing at the "talentless" people in the cabinet.

He added: "I'm livid and I really shouldn't say this but all those people that put Liz Truss in No 10, I hope it was worth it, it was worth it for the ministerial red box, as it was worth it to sit round the cabinet table, because the damage they have done to our party is extraordinary."
Ruth Edwards, the Rushcliffe MP, castigated the Tory frontbench for, she said, forcing her and colleagues "to choose between voting against our manifesto and voting to lose the whip".

She added: "They should take a look at the faces of colleagues behind them, colleagues who have fracking sites in their constituencies, and they should hang their heads in shame. A Conservative government will always have my confidence, but its leadership today has severely tested my trust and the trust of many colleagues and I would advise them not to do so again."
However, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the business and energy secretary, disputed this, pointing to the government's majority in the vote. He said: "This is a government that is functioning well."
 
Another day, another chapter in the glorious democratic institution of Westminster comes to pass. Meaningless PMQs, lack of rules, general pantomime and artificial majorities resulting in nil accountability and difficulty in getting rid of a shambolic government.

We in the UK are all passengers to the elected dictatorship of Westminster and reliant on the good judgment of Tory MPs to find a compromise PM candidate (May, Wallace?) or call a general election (not happening).

The absence of a President as ceremonial head of state above the PM means there is nobody in place to enforce the constitution (should the UK even have one) and apply pressure on the House of Commons to get its act together.

A dreadful, dreadful way to run a country.
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Another day, another chapter in the glorious democratic institution of Westminster comes to pass. Meaningless PMQs, lack of rules, general pantomime and artificial majorities resulting in nil accountability and difficulty in getting rid of a shambolic government.

We in the UK are all passengers to the elected dictatorship of Westminster and reliant on the good judgment of Tory MPs to find a compromise PM candidate (May, Wallace?) or call a general election (not happening).

The absence of a President as ceremonial head of state above the PM means there is nobody in place to enforce the constitution (should the UK even have one) and apply pressure on the House of Commons to get its act together.

A dreadful, dreadful way to run a country.
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But ask most of the country if we should reform the system and the same backwards looking nationalistic chest beaters start going "woteva Brittin duz iz best!" and swallow the nonsense that a proportional system will inevitably be worse by default, in the same way they'd assert it would be worse under Labour by default. These arseholes cannot be reasoned with at all.
 
C4 anchor Krishnan Guru-Murphy in trouble after caught saying "What a c***" after interview with Steve Baker.

Rookie mistake of finishing interview but not realising there were other live microphones around. Baker appreciates apology but still demands he's sacked. Chaos everywhere.

EDIT: missed that had been posted above. But worth a double post!
 
So now my understanding is Truss did vote. The whips haven't now left and the man handled MP is saying he wasn't.............This is beyond a joke. I've voted for both parties in the past. Honestly I'd just settle for someone, anyone just getting a grip of the problems this country if facing. Bills, morgages, strikes, fuel poverty.......Winter is comng and this lot are a bloody shambles. Not a great fan of Starmer but seems the only person/party capable of sorting some of this out now.
 

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