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A Political Thread pt. 2

Chuffing hell. If they close the road to the south the Russians are trapped
If it helps, it looks like they're also engaging Lyman fro the South - dunno if that's an assault expected to succeed, or a feint expected to confuse / tie in Russian relief forces.
If they get that (and if it's troops rather than partisans at Gorokhovatka), then the route south from Izyum is closed, leaving 1 minor road in and out; which you can't see being safe with Ukrainian forces either side of it
 
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If it helps, it looks like they're also engaging Lyman fro the South - dunno if that's an assault expected to succeed, or a feint expected to confuse / tie in Russian relief forces.
If they get that (and if it's troops rather than partisans at Gorokhovatka), then the route south from Izyum is closed, leaving... fields rather than roads or rail.


I would guess it's like you said and a way of cutting Izyum off and trapping significant Russian forces with their back to the water. Ukrainian forces surprising everyone including me again.

Their level of tactical nouce would put most other armies to shame
 
Their level of tactical nouce would put most other armies to shame
I'd call that strategic.

They're doing a great job of neutering thousands of Russians without actually risking themselves.

[Need to clarify the above - of course they are risking themselves in the direct action. But their risk in the indirect action (what army can fight without ammo, food and fuel?) is very low.]
 
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I'd call that strategic.

They're doing a great job of neutering thousands of Russians without actually risking themselves.

[Need to clarify the above - of course they are risking themselves in the direct action. But their risk in the indirect action (what army can fight without ammo, food and fuel?) is very low.]
Would use the word sophisticated as well
 
I almost wish they'd stick Russia Today back on the air so we could have at least a tiny bit of domestic coverage of some of the most significant global military developments of my lifetime. :p

I've not seen anything to suggest today has gone badly for Ukraine, so hopefully rumours they've already reached the east fringe if Izyum (as in, pretty much completed encirclement of the wider area) are accurate. Ukraine appears to be making noises that they are aware they are limited in the amount of new territory they can control, so hopefully they don't overextend or spread themselves too thinly.

This is why I expected a really rapid Russian victory, the terrain and wide open spaces of Ukraine lends itself to the side with the all the advantages in air, tanks and personnel being able to completely rout an underdog if they could break through the front line. I mean, even if we had a functioning media it wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed of events.

You look back at the maps 3 weeks into the war and the current state of affairs is unthinkable. I still think there is potential for the Kherson offensive to go even worse for the Russian forces than what is happening in Kharkiv. There are said to be a bunch of Luhansk and Donetsk militia units in Kherson region and they seem very sub par. They were the ones who were reportedly routed in Kharkiv region a few months back before the Russian troops stepped in to stabilise things. Glory hunters are the same everywhere, pick a favourite and talk trash, then disappear when the going gets tough.

The good news is that the areas of Kharkiv being reclaimed dont appear to have suffered the same atrocities as the likes of Bucha (presumably due to the number of Russian speakers), although who knows what has being going on jn terms of forced resettlements.

It also kind of smacks of one army having political interference to be obsessed about capturing Donetsk quickly and keeping alive hopes of joining up with Transnistria rather than approaching things based purely on military merits. And the arrogance of having 50k troops doing war games in Asia for Putin to observe while this is going on. On the flip side I'm pretty sure Zelensky had zero say in anything military prior to the war and can check his ego at the door enough to know to leave it to the professionals.

Keeping everything crossed as itd be gut wrenching if Russia could push these gains backwards now the element of surprise has gone.
 
Surprised The monarchy has such a power to just approve bank holidays. But one of those that the Government aren't going to decline given the special circumstances.

Would also be surprised if many UK firms would not grant employees it despite what their contracts say. Be a PR disaster for them.
 


Allegedly, Russian forces as far East as Svatove (about 60km SE of Kupyansk; about half way between Kupyansk and Severodenesk) have abandoned the town and run away. Dunno if that due to troops, partisans, panic, or an attempt to convince the Ukrainians to over-extend themselves and allow Russia to pinch off the spearhead.
For now, I'm treating this one with a healthy dose of salt.


Oh yes, also being reported (but not confirmed) that Ukraine has successfully pushed the Russians back in that little patch North of Kharkiv, more or less up to the Siverkyi Donesk River, and right back to the national border.
Whilst at the far SW end of the line, Ukraine (reported bu unconfirmed) have captured Oleksandrivka & Stanislav, turning that end of the flank up from the coast up to the river Dniper

 
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Would also be surprised if many UK firms would not grant employees it despite what their contracts say. Be a PR disaster for them.
I work for an American company and we already have an underspend issue. Don't think they'd give a flying **** about the PR disaster as would many others. They dont sell to individuals but other large businesses. This will do nothing to hamper sales.

Genuinely think they'll be a disconnect on this one.
 
if I'm a blue blooded tory I would want to know why I should have to lose money cause the queen died in 2022. I'm sure there will be a balancing act of business interests and appeasing some loyalists.
 
I'm sure after they've spent 100 billion to cap energy bills for two years they'll find some way of justifying losing money for one day all in the name of British identity and culture.
 

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