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A Political Thread pt. 2

Okay I'm a bit confused. So this vote was only Tory MPs? My comparative constitutional law classes have failed me or maybe I failed them.

From what Wikipedia and the guardian have taught me Teresa may went through a vote of confidence in 2018 with just her party and then 2019 with everyone? I'm trying to look up more but I just get returns to today's news. Maybe you guys could write down your procedures or something lol. But could someone explain the difference between the two?

Theresa May
May faced a vote of no confidence in December 2018 after she lost the support of Tory colleagues on whether she would be able to deliver a Brexit deal as prime minister. Although May survived the vote by 200 votes to 117, she later resigned following the European parliament election in May 2019, in which the Brexit party gained 28 seats and the Conservative party won just three. In her resignation speech she said it would remain "a matter of deep regret to me that I have not been able to deliver Brexit".
 
Hague sticking the boot in this morning and rumours of ministerial resignations. The oaf will cling on as long as we can so we might as well enjoy the Tory bloodsport.
 
Hague sticking the boot in this morning and rumours of ministerial resignations. The oaf will cling on as long as we can so we might as well enjoy the Tory bloodsport.

As said before, it'd be very nice if the party splintered.
 
As said before, it'd be very nice if the party splintered.
It would be nice and better for the country but as the EU never caused a definitive split I doubt this will just perpetual infighting.

Its an offshoot of the voting system which requires large blocks to win power regardless of what those blocks are made of.

Like Labour the real issue is in the event of a split who gets to continue calling itself Labour both sides want the other to leave because if that happens the winner gets to keep the Labour brand and most of the voters. Power within the party is more important than substantial numbers outside.
 
So the LD's are having a no confidence in the government, I doubt it will go anywhere but there is a potential interesting hypothetical.

Labour and the rebels vote down this government, the rebels say they'll pass a confidence vote within 14 days if Johnson resigns.
 
Who cares what's going on in London. It's all about Astana, Kazakhstan isnt it @Yulia?

Pretty much confirms that the recent hiccup there was an internal power struggle and nothing to do with Russia or Turkey meddling. I won't hold my breath that its the dawn of a new democratic age of human rights in Kazakhstan, but I can dream. :p

I'm absolutely sure that Nazarbayev was supported "externally". That was an internal conflict used as a pretext for the coup (colour revolution). And most of "peaceful protests" were too well organized and directed as for "spontaneous events" (trained armed groups that attacked police stations and armouries first of all etc).
That's how do I see it though, maybe I'm wrong.
Hopefully they'll rename back Nur-Sultan (named after ex-president) to Astana,still can't get accustomed to this weird city name 🥴🥴
 
this is what I was wondering. If he only has support of 40% of his teammates isn't he absolutely cooked as a leader? Like it just seems like a headache to get stuff done with him at the head.
Depends how many have a spine - leadership vote is anonymous, abstaining/voting against has your name on it
 
Depends how many have a spine - leadership vote is anonymous, abstaining/voting against has your name on it

Conversely - they may all now see he is a dead duck - and may be looking to the next election.

At which point - is it better to be perceived as a supporter of Boris - or be one of those standing against him?
 
this is what I was wondering. If he only has support of 40% of his teammates isn't he absolutely cooked as a leader? Like it just seems like a headache to get stuff done with him at the head.
I mean he still has a (updated) 77 seat majority. It just depends how many of those 148 would be likely to rebel and vote with the opposition and on what legislation.

We have a "whipping" system here where for certain legislation the Tory MPs will be given a three line whip to force them to vote for essential legislation Bojo's Government proposes/deems essential to get through or those MPs can be thrown out of the parliamentary party and have to sit instead as an independent until their privileges are returned.

But previous votes of no confidence have shown where 40% of their own MPs being against a Tory PM it is only a matter of time before they are deposed.


This one who got the vote largely right predicts Bojo will be gone within 6 months. 🤞
 
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Just checked on PetrolPrices.com - Tesco I filled up at last Thursday for 171.9p is now 182.9p
Absolute joke
 
Thank you very much for your email about the Sue Gray Report and the Prime Minister's leadership.

First of all on the Sue Gray Report, I always said that what happened in Downing Street was a serious matter and I always understood the frustrations, anger and hurt many (name of constituency (removed) residents felt about it.

I also always maintained that it was important that politicians abide by the Coronavirus rules we set and expected others to follow, and if a politician did not follow them then that was a serious problem.

As you will have seen, the Prime Minister has provided a full explanation for what happened during the short lunchtime gathering on 19 June 2020 in the Cabinet Room for which he was issued with a Fixed Penalty Notice by the Police.

The Prime Minister has sincerely apologised for the things he got wrong in relation to that event, has accepted the Metropolitan Police's assessment that he broke the Coronavirus rules and has accepted full responsibility for what happened on the day.

The Prime Minister has also provided a full explanation for the other events the Sue Gray Report and the Metropolitan Police looked in to and has offered his sincere apologies for what took place and has taken responsibility for the failings which have been identified.

When Sue Gray's Interim Report was published, the Prime Minister committed to fully addressing the problems the Report highlighted in the Downing Street operation.

I hope you are reassured that the full Report agreed that the Prime Minister has already made significant changes to improve the organisation and management of Downing Street and the Cabinet Office to create clearer lines of leadership and accountability.

As I said, I have always understood the anger and frustration many (name of constituency (removed) residents have felt over this matter and I am reassured that the Prime Minister has offered his sincere apologies for what happened, has taken full responsibility for the failings and has committed to improving the inner workings of government.

On the Prime Minister's leadership, I do think it is right that we balance this matter, as serious as it is, against the Prime Minister's strong record in office so far in delivering the vaccine programme, getting Brexit done and supporting Ukraine as well as against the serious challenges this country is facing right now, whether that is national security or energy security.

I genuinely do not believe that the instability and uncertainty caused by the Prime Minister resigning and triggering a drawn out leadership contest would be in the best interests of the country.

Instead, I believe our interests are best served by the Prime Minister getting on with the job of Government and addressing the many serious challenges the country currently faces.

Also in my experience from speaking to voters up and down the country in advance of the May local elections, I know that what a great many people want to see is the Government concentrating on the things which matter in their every day lives, like supporting them with the increasing cost of living.

I understand the concerns many (name of constituency (removed) residents have raised with me about this and why some have called for the Prime Minister to resign, but I support the Prime Minister and think it is right that he and the Government get on with the job.

Thank you again for your email and I hope this response helps to set out my thoughts on this issue for you.

Yours sincerely,
Response from my MP, who is a cabinet minister. For reasons of privacy I have removed the name of my constituency. It would be interesting to compare responses from other Conservative MPs who have responded to those also called for Bojo's resignation.
 
Just checked on PetrolPrices.com - Tesco I filled up at last Thursday for 171.9p is now 182.9p
Absolute joke
178.9 when I put some in my tank last night.

I'm seriously getting into is it worth my wife going to work stage.
 
Yes, Tesco Extra/Esso up the road from me is £1.82 per litre. But I can go to Costco, which does petrol and use my sister's membership. Petrol prices has that atm at £1.65 per litre compared to Asdas and Sainsburys at £1.69-£1.72, where I live.

Last time I filled up mid May it was £1.53 per litre. But it was absolutely rammed with cars taking advantage.

Not used the car much since as WFH but now just don't want to unless absolutely necessary. Just walking locally now.
 
Not used the car much since as WFH but now just don't want to unless absolutely necessary. Just walking locally now.
Yeah, I commute by car which is becoming increasingly frustrating - got three months left on my car park pass, will have to weigh up my options after that, probably be £2 a litre by then

Think public transport is probably a bit cheaper now, for me (was about the same when I started this job a year ago) - I just hate having to rely on it as it's so incredibly unreliable
 
Response from my MP, who is a cabinet minister. For reasons of privacy I have removed the name of my constituency. It would be interesting to compare responses from other Conservative MPs who have responded to those also called for Bojo's resignation.
"I believe our interests are best served by the Prime Minister getting on with the job of Government"

God I ******* hate this line so much. I swear if I ever meet my MP face to face and he says that I will lose it, they weren't "getting on with the job" before and were ******* everything up. Apparently all misconduct should be swept under the carpet so you can "get on with the job", good luck trying that in any other profession.
 
Response from my MP, who is a cabinet minister. For reasons of privacy I have removed the name of my constituency. It would be interesting to compare responses from other Conservative MPs who have responded to those also called for Bojo's resignation.

I believe a reply along the lines of:

"If you have neither the cognisance or intellect to recognise either lying or empty apologies, then it would sadly appear you are not competent enough to satisfactorily represent this constituency.
Unless of course you do recognise the Prime Minister's actions are entirely in self-preservation with all other considerations set aside, in which case you are morally unfit to represent this constituency"

May be in order.


No point being civil to someone when they are either lying to you or don't give a f*k about your view.
 
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