A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

148 against so huge but not quite huge enough, worse than May. So very very bad but not a killing blow.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Yes, didn't expect enough votes to kick him out, but 148 MPs is a big number. Signifies a split for sure.

 

[Reiser99]

Not enough to get rid of him, but certainly undermines him. If Conservatives lose the next two by-elections then he really will be in big trouble.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So does BoJo just continue on now and pretend that nothing's happened?

 

[ncurd]

4 out of his 10 of the colleagues think he's a ****.

 

[ncurd]

So does BoJo just continue on now and pretend that nothing's happened?

Well thats his plan.

 

[Which Tyler]

www.twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1533441926363504640

 

[Which Tyler]

No one obviously there to take over. That will stop a major split

www.twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1533441926363504640


ETA: feckin' phone!

 

[Reiser99]

4 out of his 10 of the colleagues think he's a ****.

Tbh more probably think so too but know the alternatives are just as ****. Personally though Johnson has become very toxic with the public and anyone in a remotely marginal seat should be very worried.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

4 out of his 10 of the colleagues think he's a ****.

Publicly…..

That's as bad a result for him as could realistically have been expected.

 

[ncurd]

Publicly…..

That's as bad a result for him as could realistically have been expected.

Yarp they were saying a good result would be below 100.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Politics is often about paper cuts. That one has caused a deep gash. He lives to fight another day, but as others have pointed out followed by two big by election defeats, and he just needs one more big event to cause a knock out blow. He can't stop lying, so it's only a matter of time he fcuks up again.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Reality it's perfect for non Tory parties though.
It's a very bad number for Tories.

I feel that a new leader would've brought the Tories some time, whereas Johnson continuing in the current crisis SHOULD be a massive blow to the party long term imo.

 

[ncurd]

How bad a result is it?

 

[Amiga500]

He'll not go.

Far too brass necked

 

[Bada-Bing!]

If those 148 really don't have confidence in their own PM, then they should really be voting with the rest of the house to stop the Government passing further legalisation. That really would force Bojo to go. But it was a secret ballot, so most of them won't.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Reality it's perfect for non Tory parties though.
It's a very bad number for Tories.

I feel that a new leader would've brought the Tories some time, whereas Johnson continuing in the current crisis SHOULD be a massive blow to the party long term imo.

Yes, I don't vote Tory and I'm delighted. Best case scenario. Keeps him in place, wounded and with no credibility but doesn't risk someone with a more evil streak from taking over the UK at a critical time.

There are plenty Tories who wouldn't have corrected the NI unfairness or done a energy firm windfall tax or even done a Covid bailout.

Keep him in place and hope that the two sirs get their crap together with their respective parties. He can easily survive the by elections if there is no existing mechanism to oust him for a year. Near 60% support means that such a mechanism won't be introduced.

 

[ncurd]

They're really trying the line he's increased his majority in the party since the leadership election even hes daying it.....**** me do they know just how stupid they sound trying that one?

If those 148 really don't have confidence in their own PM, then they should really be voting with the rest of the house to stop the Government passing further legalisation. That really would force Bojo to go. But it was a secret ballot, so most of them won't.

Bob Gale had a fair argument he thinks Johnson is a twat but that doesn't sop him voting for policies he agrees with. Can't fault the logic really.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Okay I'm a bit confused. So this vote was only Tory MPs? My comparative constitutional law classes have failed me or maybe I failed them.

From what Wikipedia and the guardian have taught me Teresa may went through a vote of confidence in 2018 with just her party and then 2019 with everyone? I'm trying to look up more but I just get returns to today's news. Maybe you guys could write down your procedures or something lol. But could someone explain the difference between the two?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Okay I'm a bit confused. So this vote was only Tory MPs? My comparative constitutional law classes have failed me or maybe I failed them.

From what Wikipedia and the guardian have taught me Teresa may went through a vote of confidence in 2018 with just her party and then 2019 with everyone? I'm trying to look up more but I just get returns to today's news. Maybe you guys could write down your procedures or something lol. But could someone explain the difference between the two?

One is a vote of no confidence as leader of the party, which is what Johnson faced today and is entirely internal within the party. The other is a vote of no confidence in the government as a whole, which presumably would have resulted in a general election unless a coalition could be made which commanded a majority. The former only changes the PM, the latter changes the government.