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A Political Thread pt. 2

Boris rolling out the Corbyn line and claiming Starmer is a Corbynista in a suit.
I dont know why they feel this is going to work as Starmer pointed out he doesn't currently have the whip. Anyone who knows anything about politics knows hard-core Corbyn fans hate Starmer.

I know with mud sling throw enough and sime of it will stuck but this feels like very desperate stuff.
 
Finally got a tesponse from my MP gone for kicking the can down the road.
@ncurd - You don't happen to have Laurence's attack on Dom Cummings sitting somewhere in your emails do you?


Dear Mr Robertson.
Thank you for your reply.
Given that Mr Johnson has been found guilty, fined, and admitted guilt, do I take it to meant that you consider the conservative party to the party of lawlessness, who considers proven lawlessness to be no big deal? That you consider misleading parliament to be absolutely fine with no sanction required? You are, after all, actively defending such from the holder of the highest office in the land - a man who is, by definition, "right honourable" despite being a proven law-breaker, a liar, a cheat and a cad.

I may well be mistaken, but I seem to remember your emotional, blistering condemnation of Mr Cummings for breaking the spirit of the law, if not the letter; and yet, here you are, defending an acknowledged breaker of both the spirit and letter of the law in Mr Johnson.

You are quite correct to say that we don't yet know the full extent of the wrongdoings of Messrs Johnson and Sunak, but we know enough to say that they categorically broke the law, and categorically mislead parliament. Whilst intent is impossible to prove, we know that they either did so deliberately, or that they possess less intellect than the average 7 year old, who can tell the difference between a party and not-a-party. We don't know the full details, but what we do know is enough to say that neither is fit to hold high office. More details and more fines can only make the situation less untenable.

Be honest, if Messrs Corbyn and Cummings had received such fines and admitted guilt; would you be quite so defensive of them? Are you happy that in setting this precedent, it could be used as justification for future law-breaking by your political opponents, and your consituents, for that matter.
 
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It might actually be in this thread but ultimately yes unlike my works very stupid 3 month deletion policy I have a never delete anything from an actual person policy. Do have 11 years of emails in my account.

impersonal, standard nature of this email, but, as you can imagine, I have received many communications on this matter.

In short, I agree that Dominic Cummings should resign, or else be dismissed, from the Prime Minister's employment. While there might have been extenuating personal circumstances relating to his situation, the same is true for very many people across the country who are dutifully obeying both the letter and the spirit of the rules.

Indeed, like many others, I have found the rules to be personally heart-wrenching. On 5th May, my father died of Coronavirus and the pain and guilt of my being unable to visit him as he fought for his life will haunt me for the rest of my days. I wouldn't wish this situation on anyone, but I know that many of my constituents have suffered in the same or similar ways. However, we are all fighting against a world-wide pandemic and really do need to be all in this together.

I have, therefore, spent yesterday and today urging the Prime Minister, and all those closely connected to him, to recognise the strength of feeling which exists on this issue and to dismiss Mr Cummings without further delay. For now, I will not be playing this matter out in public, but am working on the issue through the effective channels which exist.

Thank you for letting me have your views.

It should also be noted tommrows vote is for the investigation to be held after the police investigation with full knowledge of the facts. So Mr. Robertson's previous assertion it would too early is also rubbish.
 
Thank you - I can definitely use some of those quotes.
Given that Mr Johnson has been found guilty, fined, and admitted guilt, do I take it to meant that you consider the conservative party to the party of lawlessness, who considers proven lawlessness to be no big deal? That you consider misleading parliament to be absolutely fine with no sanction required? You are, after all, actively defending such from the holder of the highest office in the land - a man who is, by definition, "right honourable" despite being a proven law-breaker, a liar, a cheat and a cad.

If I may quote your own words, from when Mr Cummings took his family out of London "While there might have been extenuating personal circumstances relating to his situation, the same is true for very many people across the country who are dutifully obeying both the letter and the spirit of the rules...
I have, therefore, spent yesterday and today urging the Prime Minister, and all those closely connected to him, to recognise the strength of feeling which exists on this issue and to dismiss Mr Cummings without further delay"
Just to remind you, Mr Cummings was found to have broken only the spirit, but not the letter of the law. Mr Johnson has been found (and admitted) to breaking both the spirit and the letter.

You are quite correct to say that we don't yet know the full extent of the wrongdoings of Messrs Johnson and Sunak, but we know enough to say that they categorically broke the law, and categorically misled parliament. Whilst intent is impossible to prove, we know that they either did so deliberately, or that they possess less situational awareness than the average 7 year old, who can tell the difference between a party and not-a-party. We don't know the full details, but what we do know is enough to say that neither is fit to hold high office. More details and more fines can only make the situation untenable. It is also worth noting that (I believe) tomorrow's vote is for an investigation AFTER the police investigations have completed - which won't be too late, even by your own reckoning.

We "really do need to be all in this together" - except for Messrs Johnson and Sunak, apparently. Are you happy that in setting this precedent, it could be used as justification for future law-breaking by your political opponents; and your constituents, for that matter.
 
Alexa show me how ****** this governments reputation is.

 
Standard deflection technique they've tried to employ several times accuse them of doing the same thing you've done.

Pay no heed I doubt it will get much traction like the Saville smeer and having a with a meal pint gate.
 
Standard deflection technique they've tried to employ several times accuse them of doing the same thing you've done.

Pay no heed I doubt it will get much traction like the Saville smeer and having a with a meal pint gate.
Straight out of the playbook of an autocratic government.
 

Tory gaslighting at its finest. When caught doing something wrong, deny then accuse others of actually being the guilty party. It's so pathetic, it's the sort of response you'd expect from a child.
 

Ukraine news live: Putin cancels storming of steel plant and hails Mariupol 'success' - as 500,000 Ukrainians 'deported' to Russia[/H1]

Ukraine latest as Vladimir Putin cancels the storming of the Azovstal steel plant where the last Mariupol troops remain and instead orders a blockade so that "a fly" cannot pass; Russian president hails "success" in the city but it is unclear if it has fallen.

Mariupol is turning into a small village in Gaul situation there, doesn't it? "Mariupol is entirely occupied by Russia. Entirely? YES, ENTIRELY! SHUT UP, THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE!"


ETA: Adding the quote, as it's a live page, so it's head story will change soon
 
It's amazing the similarities between the Ukrainian war and WW2. Maripol reminds me of Stalingrad. Hard bitten defenders clinging by their fingernails to the last part of the city in the old tractor factory while Goebbels announced the city had fallen. Replace Stalingrad with Mariupol, tractor factory with steel works and Goebbels with the Russian defence bloke.
 
Interestingly the government have dropped their amendment. Also dropped to a free vote sounds like they'd knew they'd lose which is surprising.

So first ever PM to be reffered to the committee of privileges. Great job!
 
Tories trying the defence of "redemption" and "mercy", stupid fuckers. Yet another way of trying to sweep this stuff under the rug. Spineless, hypocritical shits the whole lot of them. Claiming that government is being held to a higher standard!?

So deny at the time and then when it becomes proven, say it's now in the past and move on. Also having Steve Baker standing up talking about "Christian values" and quoting the Bible as a defence of Johnson, it's ******* ridiculous.
 
Looks like Macron shut the door on Le Pen last night. Really made her look clueless from the analysis that I've read. Europe needs Macron to win right now and it looks like he will.
 
Brexit Hard man Steve Baker has now said the PM must go.

Tories being sent home so no intent to stop the vote going through.

He definitely isn't surviving local elections is a few weeks time.
 
But also booooo



They're probably correct but it shouldn't be.
 
Looks like Macron shut the door on Le Pen last night. Really made her look clueless from the analysis that I've read. Europe needs Macron to win right now and it looks like he will.
All my French colleagues and friends are tout-sauf-Macron though.. saying he was the worst. But yeah, he'll win


Replace Stalingrad with Mariupol, tractor factory with steel works and Goebbels with the Russian defence bloke.
You're exaggerating,to put it mildly
 

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