[2021 Six Nations] Ireland vs France (14/02/21)

[AlRums]

For an instant part of me believed you were taking Daly off our hands...why do you guys have to keep copying our names?! First Farrell, now Daly. Never going to get anywhere copying England, trust me.

Especially if you copy England's performance from Saturday

 

[big ginger 8]

Some promising news here.

'No setbacks so far' - Ireland optimistic Sexton and Ryan will face France https://the42.ie/5349542

 

[FrenchFan]

Good news for Ireland. Not good news for Sexton. The Clermont neurologist watched the incident that saw Sexton earned an HIA and he showed clear signs of ataxia and should be rested.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-na...-c-est-triste-pour-lui_sto8112070/story.shtml

 

[big ginger 8]

Top carrier, tackler, passer, and jackler - Tadhg Beirne's best game yet for Ireland

The Munster lock was superb as Ireland came up short against Wales last weekend.

www.the42.ie

Some performance from Beirne.

Interesting to see Herring so prominent in the ruck stats.

Edit: three matches for POM, presume since Munster have a match next week that means he only misses France and Italy.

 

[RedruthRFC]

Good news for Ireland. Not good news for Sexton. The Clermont neurologist watched the incident that saw Sexton earned an HIA and he showed clear signs of ataxia and should be rested.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/6-na...-c-est-triste-pour-lui_sto8112070/story.shtml

I'm neither a medic or a strong French speaker, so something may be being lost in the translation but that's very worrying. If almost any of what he's saying is right, it calls into question the whole HIA process (or at very least the Irish medical team's adherence to it).

 

[Leinster Fan]

Top carrier, tackler, passer, and jackler - Tadhg Beirne's best game yet for Ireland

The Munster lock was superb as Ireland came up short against Wales last weekend.

www.the42.ie

Some performance from Beirne.

Interesting to see Herring so prominent in the ruck stats.

Edit: three matches for POM, presume since Munster have a match next week that means he only misses France and Italy.

Munster game doesn't count apparently, which I don't have an issue with but the whole process seems inconsistent.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Munster game doesn't count apparently, which I don't have an issue with but the whole process seems inconsistent.

Think soccer have a better system where it's suspensions by competition unless it's totally egregious stuff like Gouging, biting, karate kicking fans etc...

 

[big ginger 8]

Munster game doesn't count apparently, which I don't have an issue with but the whole process seems inconsistent.

Reading the statement as quoted in the article on the 42, it's very strange wording. It says he's banned for three meaningful games which means the next three 6N games but also any Munster games during that game. It's better than some of the bull we see counted as 'meaningful' but just a bit strange.

 

[jcahill1]

Odd wording there. Not sure what to make of Herrings rucking. I have an almost pathological preference for ball carriers but I suppose someone has to hit the rucks. Maybe Kelleher does both?

 

[Leinster Fan]

I had actually thought the logic behind keeping Herring on was to keep to scrum solid with only 7 (which if it was actually did work). Again, not sure what to make of it.

 

[WaterboySA]

Think soccer have a better system where it's suspensions by competition unless it's totally egregious stuff like Gouging, biting, karate kicking fans etc...

Just want to make it clear that Cantona saw an old lady being mugged in the stand and jumped in to help, gentleman that he is.......

 

[Wichita]

I'm neither a medic or a strong French speaker, so something may be being lost in the translation but that's very worrying. If almost any of what he's saying is right, it calls into question the whole HIA process (or at very least the Irish medical team's adherence to it).

It seems to me the issue is the HIA process deals with a single incident, whereas Sexton, or George North have had repeated accidents, like two or three concussions a year for several years. I can understand they are professional players with a strong willpower and competitive spirit, but in the case of Sexton, whose best years are obviously behind him, putting your health on the line when dire consequences might appear in the next twenty years seems reckless for outsiders like me.

 

[Reiser99]

It seems to me the issue is the HIA process deals with a single incident, whereas Sexton, or George North have had repeated accidents, like two or three concussions a year for several years. I can understand they are professional players with a strong competitive edge, but in the case of Sexton, whose best years are obviously behind him, putting your health on the line when dire consequences might appear in the next twenty years seems reckless for outsiders like me.

Very good point. It's been said about North more, but some players don't look right after coming back, even if they have passed the protocols. With the knowledge we have now it's surely it better safe than sorry.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I presume the HIA and RTPs are primarily to combat second impact syndrome while the only combattant to CTE and repetitive head injuries are rule changes which can only be so effective.

I don't know how you can stop an adult with capacity who understands the risks he/she's taking from playing. CTE will reduce naturally through current measures but it's through educating the players and them making the decision to protect their own future and the primary motive for unions to do this is to cover themselves from future liability. If North and Sexton prioritise this part of their lives over the rest it's on them alone once the risks have been made clear, which they have been.

It's not like you don't see it elsewhere, fighters take the same risk, Strongmen are taking decades off their lives doing what they do etc... They all know what they're doing these days and do it anyway.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Wasn't Sexton one head knock away from being forced into retirement way back when he was at Racing?
I remember he had an enforced break due to repeated concussions

 

[munstermuffin]

I'm another Conan fan but I'm disappointed with this. He's not in the kind of form that you'd want from an international. He'd be better off trying to get into form with Leinster. I genuinely think Coombes is the better choice right now.

Conan in to carry tackle bags. Coombes is back as we are playing an interpro. Interestingly we were refused Casey.

 

[AlRums]

Wasn't Sexton one head knock away from being forced into retirement way back when he was at Racing?
I remember he had an enforced break due to repeated concussions

With the potential of court cases coming I expect World Rugby to think about enforcing maximum concussion rules on number or frequency of concussions

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I don't know how you can stop an adult with capacity who understands the risks he/she's taking from playing.

It's not like you don't see it elsewhere, fighters take the same risk, Strongmen are taking decades off their lives doing what they do etc... They all know what they're doing these days and do it anyway.

I'm no lawyer, but employment status will be part of this. North will be employed by Ospreys (and presumably effectively by the WRU while on national duty). Employers have an overriding duty of care; if, say, Os / WRU were told that North was one blow away from lasting damage, they let him play and (God forbid) he took that blow then I suspect North's lawyers would have a field day regardless of any indemnity in the original contract.

I guess that fighters and strongmen etc are much more likely to be self-employed or running their own personal businesses so may not have the recourse and protections that come from working for someone else. If so then they have more freedom to take on whatever risk they choose.

 

[AlRums]

I'm no lawyer, but employment status will be part of this. North will be employed by Ospreys (and presumably effectively by the WRU while on national duty). Employers have an overriding duty of care; if, say, Os / WRU were told that North was one blow away from lasting damage, they let him play and (God forbid) he took that blow then I suspect North's lawyers would have a field day regardless of any indemnity in the original contract.

I guess that fighters and strongmen etc are much more likely to be self-employed or running their own personal businesses so may not have the recourse and protections that come from working for someone else. If so then they have more freedom to take on whatever risk they choose.

Then potentially it could lead to no employment by teams, but they'll move to a contracted status like in business. That could mitigate a lot of legal risk (no expert as to whether that would hold water)

 

[Reiser99]

I'm no lawyer, but employment status will be part of this. North will be employed by Ospreys (and presumably effectively by the WRU while on national duty). Employers have an overriding duty of care; if, say, Os / WRU were told that North was one blow away from lasting damage, they let him play and (God forbid) he took that blow then I suspect North's lawyers would have a field day regardless of any indemnity in the original contract.

I guess that fighters and strongmen etc are much more likely to be self-employed or running their own personal businesses so may not have the recourse and protections that come from working for someone else. If so then they have more freedom to take on whatever risk they choose.

There are some key differences. If, for example, you were a builder and your employer had given you all the appropriate training and guidelines and you ignored them then that is your choice. However, in rugby players are selected to play. Therefore even if they have informed the player of the risk and he still wants to play, by choosing that player, they are choosing to put him at risk when they know he could be vulnerable.

It's a small difference, but could be crucial in a court of law.