[2020 Autumn Nations Cup] England vs France (06/12/20)

[Scotty]

Faz missed 2 kicks preventing the win...but got the kick for the draw when it mattered, missed a sitter infront of the posts in ET but got the kick for us to win in extra time...so yeah...he steps up when it matters... how can anyone say he gets kicks when it matters if he cant get the simple kicks to get the win in the first place

(This comment was Edited as it may have read that was complementary to Faz)

 

[ncurd]

Faz missed 2 kicks to get us the win...but got the kick for the draw when it mattered, missed a sitter infront in ET But got the kick for us to win in extra time...so yeah...he steps up when it matters...

So he missed 3 kicked of all which mattered and would of won us the game, but we're going to laud him for making one that stopped us from losing and getting it right on his second attempt in ET.

A real winner only has to make one of those 5 kicks.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

so yeah...he steps up when it matters...

What weird logic,
All of his misses were kicks that mattered considering it ended in a draw.

The logic also completely falls apart when you consider he missed the easy shot at goal in ET - did that one not matter?
Or did he miss on purpose so he could build the tension more?

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

The margins in international rugby are really small, second-string side or first-string side or whatever. No-one's going to rollover and let England win by 40 points, they're all gonna fight tooth and nail to beat us. This whole idea that the game would be a walkover was ridiculous. The idea that England are somehow a dreadful team coz it wasn't a walkover is even more ridiculous.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The idea that England are somehow a dreadful team coz it wasn't a walkover is even more ridiculous.

No, we're saying we played **** and would prefer it if we didn't play ****?
I don't get why this is such a hard concept to understand.

 

[Scotty]

What weird logic,
All of his misses were kicks that mattered considering it ended in a draw.

The logic also completely falls apart when you consider he missed the easy shot at goal in ET - did that one not matter?
Or did he miss on purpose so he could build the tension more?

You do realise i was taking the **** right? Just checking because he had a stinker and almost cost us the game against a second string french team even though fair play they stepped up

 

[ncurd]

Just a quick correction Farrell missed 4 kicks not 3. So thats 4 chances to win the match he failed at and that isn't good enough at this level which hasn't been for a very long time.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

You do realise i was taking the **** right? Just checking because he had a stinker and almost cost us the game against a second string french team even though fair play they stepped up

There's so many terrible takes flying around atm it's hard to tell

Just a quick correction Farrell missed 4 kicks not 3. So thats 4 chances to win the match he failed at and that isn't good enough at this level which hasn't been for a very long time.

Got the one that mattered though didn't he!

 

[ncurd]

You do realise i was taking the **** right? Just checking because he had a stinker and almost cost us the game against a second string french team even though fair play they stepped up

Fair enough I'll own up and say I didn't realise.

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

No, we're saying we played **** and would prefer it if we didn't play ****?
I don't get why this is such a hard concept to understand.

I don't disagree that we played s**t, absolutely we did, but playing s**t and winning is a sign of a good team. All the best teams have squeaked games while playing s**t.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I don't disagree that we played s**t, absolutely we did, but playing s**t and winning is a sign of a good team. All the best teams have squeaked games while playing s**t.

It's not a game though, it's been a whole series which isn't the sign of a good team. If we had played a full strength Wales, Ireland and France for example we would have lost.

If we won, while trying some new players and building on a game plan then I get it. But we didn't really try and new players and we didn't have a game plan at all. We played rubbish and didn't even get a new SH nailed down. Why didn't we start Robson the entire series, that would make sense and we wouldn't have played any worse yet we would actually start to build strength in a much needed position.

 

[Jimbo]

So he missed 3 kicked of all which mattered and would of won us the game, but we're going to laud him for making one that stopped us from losing and getting it right on his second attempt in ET.

A real winner only has to make one of those 5 kicks.

It's not his S*** kicking that bothers me it's the selfish arrogance that goes with it after two failed attempts, accept your having an off day from the boot let Daly, Ford or Slade take them can understand if there are no other kicking options but he had plenty.

 

[ncurd]

It's not his S*** kicking that bothers me it's the selfish arrogance that goes with it after two failed attempts, accept your having an off day from the boot let Daly, Ford or Slade take them can understand if there are no other kicking options but he had plenty.

Oh that ****** me off as well...that's one of the main reasons why I'm so angry about.

It was when he missed the absolute sitter. He had the chance to hold his hand up and show himself to be a real leader and admit it wasn't his day. Instead risked the entire game by arrogantly backing himself. Like you say in most other teams a bad day in the office for your kicker means having to live with it but we had other options.

 

[Scotty]

Fair enough I'll own up and say I didn't realise.

Fair one maybe i wrote it in the wrong way haha but no faz was terrible

 

[BrokenWing]

Farrell had his boots on the wrong feet. And when I say wrong feet, I mean my feet by the looks of it.

When his kicking is that off, does he bring enough to actually warrant a place in the team?

Also, every kick at goal matters. How shattering is it for the forwards, standing there blowing after winning a penalty, for the kicker to stick it wide.... again.

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

It's not a game though, it's been a whole series which isn't the sign of a good team. If we had played a full strength Wales, Ireland and France for example we would have lost.

If we won, while trying some new players and building on a game plan then I get it. But we didn't really try and new players and we didn't have a game plan at all. We played rubbish and didn't even get a new SH nailed down. Why didn't we start Robson the entire series, that would make sense and we wouldn't have played any worse yet we would actually start to build strength in a much needed position.

But we didn't loose, we won. Again. And we keep winning, again and again and again. Maybe I'm an old-timer, but I thought the point of playing was to win and to hell with how you do it, just keep winning. No-one gave England style points for winning the 2003 World Cup, but they just kept on winning until the trophy was in their hands.

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

Oh that ****** me off as well...that's one of the main reasons why I'm so angry about.

It was when he missed the absolute sitter. He had the chance to hold his hand up and show himself to be a real leader and admit it wasn't his day. Instead risked the entire game by arrogantly backing himself. Like you say in most other teams a bad day in the office for your kicker means having to live with it but we had other options.

Show himself a real leader and bottle it. Really? That's what real leaders do?

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

Farrell had his boots on the wrong feet. And when I say wrong feet, I mean my feet by the looks of it.

When his kicking is that off, does he bring enough to actually warrant a place in the team?

Yes.

 

[ncurd]

Case in point the 2003 side never looked like loosing. The only game they lost in that year was a warm up match whilst Woodward was trying some rotation. Also because of no succession planning we immediately went to **** for about a decade with many false dawns.

 

[ncurd]

Show himself a real leader and bottle it. Really? That's what real leaders do?

Not good ones, I've worked for many **** people who thought they were the big I am and made things. Good people have worked for know when they don't have all the answers and willing to give responsibilities to others.

Same principals apply on a rugby field.