[2018 Rugby Championship] Round 5: Argentina v New Zealand (30/09/2018)

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  1. Umaga's Witness

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    Ardie played well. The 'preferred' trio of squire, cane, and read doesn't do it for me. Too unreliable in terms of defence, discipline, and offload decisions/execution. anyone agree that squire and read are not the greatest defenders? often mis-communicating with the rest of the defensive line, or simply missing tackles, often out wide where they simply lack the agility to tackle sidestepping backs? and squire doesn't have the ball handling, distributing, skills of most new zealand forwards? and read makes some bad offload decisions? and cane, squire, and read, but particularly cane, give some dumb or cynical penalties away too often?

    Is there space for ardie? Read is captain so he's not going to be replaced. Ardie could come in for cane, but we don't want to be losing too much experience, and we'd then want a more industrious ruck focused 6 - could be hemopo. or maybe ardie just needs to stay a bench player, there's no doubt he's one of the best impact players in the world. in which case, hemopo is probably not the best 6 option to replace squire, as we'd lose quite a bit of carrying ability. Maybe frizzel or fifita are the answers, keeping the amps up while making the trio a bit more reliable. but frizzel has been thrown in a bit early for my liking (though he's doing surprisingly well), and fifita has gone out of favour. Scott barrett would do well at 6 but we probably don't want to take the focus off his locking role given he is clearly our number 3 lock.

    Any ideas?

    Experience on the bench might become a thing for pressure games, like in world cups. Instead of the typical impact player, experienced players you can rely on to close out a game. you could start Ardie and have Todd on the bench for example. But only if you can then justify starting Hemopo at 6, because leaving Cane out of the 23 is not really the best solution to my loose forward issues, Cane being the player I have least issue with.

    I'm not a fan of patrick tuipolotu; I do admire what he does well, but his hands just let him down too often for my liking.

    Ben Smith really hasn't been himself this year, though has shown glimpses of brilliance at times. It might just be a case of losing a bit of speed with age and needing a bit of time to re-adjust. But I do wonder whether he should start transitioning to a bench player, as if he had the energy at the end of games combined with his cool head he could help us either come from behind or close out a game, as necessary. Just a thought, you'd only do it if you wanted to make room for little mac or Beauden at fullback though

    Mo'unga was very very good, and kinda demonstrated his ability to be an impact player. It's rush defence we want to test our first fives against though, so I'd like to see him get some time against the Springboks. But i'd also like to see little mac get some time against the boks, and i'm not going to get both my wishes.

    Ione had some very good moments I thought, getting himself involved with good timing and lines, using his pace and acceleration to his advantage well.

    Scott Barret just gets better and better.

    Karl, whatever he might not have done perfectly ( he actually did quite well all round I thought), scrummaged very well, and that was enough. A big find for the All Blacks this year.

    A pretty good game from the ABs; they worked hard, communicated well, and had just that extra bit of focus to ensure they executed.

    I don't want to fall into the trap of saying what everyone says year after year - that the Pumas are improving, becoming a better team - despite the evidence. Their set-piece has been getting worse. The Pumas actually did pretty well considering how badly they got dominated in the set-piece.. Their speed and accuracy on attack has been very good at times this year, it has definitely improved. not by lots, but small margins make all the difference at this level.
     
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    I guess the Pumas don't get how to beat us. Mic drop.
     
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    I think Reid and Square bring a enforcer type physicality in defence that Ardie doesn't. Square is actually quite a powerful runner himself so hes physical in attack as well.

    I like how Ardie is difficult for defenders to deal with. He also gets around and works hard on defence and the off the ball stuff. I'd have him in there but maybe Hansen wants a Jerome Kaino trio to start the big games.
     
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    Yeah, i think apart from the issues I have with the trio, they are a well balanced trio. They wouldn't replace squire with someone who wasn't highly physical on defence, and they clearly want two of their loosies to be strong lineout options - that's been the case for a long while now.

    You're right i think, despite how good Ardie is, and as much as I like him, I don't think he's going to become a first choice starter. He's not seen as a grafter to the level of Cane and He certainly doesn't fit the 6 mould.
     
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    This is a forum killer type post. No wonder this forum seems quite dead. People don't want others to discuss stuff.
     
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    Matthieu Raynal is legit Hitler. Change my mind.
     
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    Well, he's French, not Austrian, so Marshal Henri-Philippe P├ętain would be a better fit!
     
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    "Mic drop"? Is that like a cool thing among 12-year-olds these days?

    Interesting use of the word "us", like you played or something. Then again, it's obvious already your grasp of reality is questionable at best.
     
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    Hey when you come at like a 12 year old, I got to return the favour. Yes I have played rugby before, its what some of us do in NZ. My grasp of reality is the reality that the Pumas have not beaten us, is that questionable? no.
     
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    It took you over an hour to come back with a "I know you are but what am I?" response. MENSA material right there.

    Asked and answered.... by the same guy. You can't make this up. Hillarious. Please never leave the forum.

    And please, feel free to keep the dislikes coming. Anything i can do to help with that fragile ego of yours.
     
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    it was very popular amoungst 12 year olds...about 5 years ago :oops:
     
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    Can't be, Hitler was more shouty.
     
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    Its good to see the AB fans on youtube, sports articles, facebook, forums all sharing their disbelief in the ref Raynals calls. Obviously most of them are kiwis. Check them out if you can.
     
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    i dont think anyone has argued the double movement was the wrong call...just that its not some huge conspiracy theory
     
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    I dont think Ive ever said it was a 'huge conspiracy theory'. I just checked my post history and Im correct - I never said it was.

    I just think Raynal has his own personal bias against the All Blacks and boy am I not alone :) so many other kiwis out there that are questioning this guy.

    On here, it seems like the kiwis on here are under a code to not discuss the refs in this manner. To not look like NZ whinge a lot, well Im here to bring the truth, yes we do whinge in NZ. Also this forum is dead quiet and Im here to bring it to life.

    Reply...
     
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    It's dead quiet because ****-all interesting happened on the weekend.
     
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    It wasn't anything out of the norm. The favourites came through and won their games. You guys played absolutely bad but you already know that. So I guess you're right.

    Plenty to discuss about your fellas game.
     
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    Voices in your head don't really count as other people.
     
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    Voices in my head tell me the Pumas never beat us HAHAHAHA
     
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