[2018 Rugby Championship] Round 4: New Zealand v South Africa (15/09/2018)

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  1. Derpus

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    On their second week on tour the South Africans lost to the Wallabies. If anything, winning on their third week away against the best team is evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Well, we've this trend in Super Rugby too in that the second week for some reason is where our teams always play poorly when on tour, so I don't know if it's the second week syndrome, or the third-week-we're-going-home mindset...
     
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    What ever they do to the schedule, each team should still play each other home and away. 6 games each.
     
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    Winning away
    Who schedules the RC? is it SANZAAR?
     
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    south african teams did perform better in the super rugby this season in NZ than in the past as well, i think they are learning to cope with the travel better
     
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    what do you guys think of this?

    https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-were-done-in-by-nigel-owens/

    mark reason from stuff nz

    ..And don't be fooled by the final scoreline. South Africa were absolutely done in by Nigel Owens. The All Blacks scored a first half try preceded by a colossal Lienert-Brown knock-on. And Owens gave the All Blacks seven consecutive second half penalties in the space of 22 minutes, half of which were absurd.

    He gave Le Roux a yellow card extremely harshly. He was offside, but since when can't you dive to make a tackle. But the most ridiculous moment was when South Africa regained possession on their line and Owens blew his whistle. Owens had made no prior ruling. He was giving the All Blacks a chance to win phase possession. But when it went the other way, Owens made a retrospective ruling.

    This was referee not ruling on what he saw, but playing God. We have seen it twice before from Owens and it is completely unacceptable. He should be warned for it. Happily for South Africa, Owens did not deny them a deserved victory, he just narrowed the margin.
     
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    i havn't watched it again yet. but was the ball knocked out off McKenzie's hands by a South African player in the final play of the game?
     
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    His job is to annoy his readers, so, probably you can assume it's mostly half truths or twisted logic.

    1. Lienert-Brown knock-on: Don't know, didn't see it.
    2. seven consecutive second half penalties: If it happened the other way he would be writing about persistent infringing, more cards ... bla bla bla. Read the NZ v Arg thread on this site for context when NZ conceded 5 consecutive penalties.
    3. Le Roux yellow card. Clear and obvious professional foul. What is up for discussion? Owens' explanantion? What a scandal.
    4. South Africa regained possession on their line: Held up in goal. I guess it's maybe techicnally possible to rip a ball clear from someone who has dived over the line and is held up, but I've never seen that ruled before. TBH it was hard for me tell actually what happened, and when and how it ended up on the South African side. It's equally hard for Reason to tell.

    Reason is poison. Nothing is a barrier to him making a point that will generate clicks. Even out right stating that a referee is a biased cheat or teams are match fixing.

    His job is resident Englishmen for Fairfax (Stuff) to write a weekly article to annoy his local New Zealand readers.

    To put it in context. A New Zealander scores a cricket test match triple century lasting 3 days. Reason's weekly article insinuates the Indian opposition were match fixing, because they dropped a catch 1 hour into his 15 hour innings, and looked a bit lethargic by the 12th hour they spent fielding.

    He's not a crackpot, he a successful cynical troll. But that's the level of crackpot you are entering into if you lap this stuff up.
     
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    You arent allowed to whinge about the ref, even if justified. Particularly in front of a kiwi.

    The only call that i thought was particularly egregious (Nige always has a slight All Blacks tilt, he's in love) was the 30 meter advantage. He just stopped pretending at that point.
     
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    Mark Reason has pet hates and Nigel Owen's refereeing is at the top of his list. Beauden Barrett at 1st five is another, Steve Hansen continuing to coach the All Blacks is another. There are many more and they invariably involve the All Blacks being cheats, being deliberately coached to play dirty, having refs go easy on them, etc, etc.....basically a summary of most Englishmen's gripes when it comes to the All Blacks.
     
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    Maybe Mark Reason hates gays?

    I actually don't know the answer to that question, but that's the kind of thing he'd be prepared to insinuate about others, if it made for good copy.
     
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    I thought Owens had a relative good game, but that scrum right at the end he got wrong and Liam Squire made a late no arm tackle on Whiteley when he passed to Diyanti for his second try. We see this too often where tries "nullify" penalties, it should be a penalty on half way after the conversion attempt.
     
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    Nah. If there is a penalty in the lead up to the try then they score the try under advantage. If they score a try, they've gained an advantage. Just as if they had made 10 metres of territory.
     
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    I also feel like he was a bit harsher on the Boks. That scrum that the Boks dominated but Owens gives a penalty to AB? why does the TMO give Owens advise on infringements when Boks do stuff but not when the AB did things like in the maul when our player was lifted and was basically upside down or no arm tackle on Whiteley. Then there's the incredibly long advantage's played and the knock on before a try is scored but not looked at...

    Other than the above issues i felt he reffed well
     
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    what a great game that was at the weekend. thought the Boks were fantastic and they're defence was outstanding. thought the AB's played pretty well but some unusual errors let them down at big moments. the less said about B Barrett's goalkicking the better, though. what I can't fathom is how the Boks lost to the Wallabies the week before. as for Nigel Owens thought he was distinctly average again at the weekend. however, the Le Roux yellow card was correct because he did stop a line-break and it was a professional foul. do think though he missed a clear knock-on in the build up to one All Black try and he also failed to punish illegal counter-rucking by the All Blacks which happens every game and which never gets picked up on. Also, what's happened with the law about players staying on their feet at the ruck, the amount of players off their feet in every ruck now is ridiculous, but every team does it. referees need to stop it.
     
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