[2018 Rugby Championship] Round 4: New Zealand v South Africa (15/09/2018)

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  1. Derpus

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    Nonu was a lot of things but not sure he was a brilliant playmaker as you say?

    He started out turd at distributing, worked hard and got it to a decent if not spectacular level to complement the rest of his otherwise outstanding game.
     
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    yeah, nonu and smith were world class together but i think you could put other players inside smith and get as good results but you couldnt put someone else outside nonu as easily.

    I had some respect for how he worked on his game, like when he learnt to chip and grubber....but then he'd do it too much
     
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    i'd have to say that nonu was the best distributing centre in the world at his time. his passing game was sublime and belied the power game he was famous for . all of the tries scored off his passing was pin point accurate. however it wasnt evident cos he relied on his power game and his ability to always, at a minimum, bend the line.

    @Jabby agree anyone woulda looked better than they actually were outside conradSmith but nonu was the perfect yang to conrads yin. conrtad was all brains and hustle, where it would allow nonu to concentrate on his power game.
     
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    Interesting point re- the scrum thing, it certainly has seemed that way to me at times. You probably want to add "...and refs are making (educated) guesses". Because the referee doesn't fully know why a scrum went down, or up, he is more likely to 'notice' faults with the team he thinks is less dominant. And he can't be on both sides at once, so he will choose to watch the key offenders and not the others.

    And, yep, lots of subjectivity for sure.

    I agree....I think you misread here, i said "not insignificant".

    firstly, you were claiming that refs side with the all blacks, saying that from a refereeing point of view, it is always safe to side with the dominant team. i wasn't discussing anything to do with this game just gone, more the assertion that refs are generally biased toward the all blacks. o the game just gone, for the record, I have no opinion of how fair the ref was because I was at the game in the cheap seats so couldn't see the detail of most of what happened. I assumed form what people have written that the calls favoured the all blacks, on balance. I wouldn't put money on it though.

    secondly, your logic isn't particularly good here anyway. the evidence you speak of is provided by people who feel aggrieved by what has happened. so, of course, you will see more evidence against the team who hardly ever loses; practically all viewers, except for all blacks supporters (and i'll get back to them) wanted the springboks to win, so when calls were going against them that threatened that chance of victory, or reminded people (unconsciously) of those frustrating calls that went against their beloved team (for 'neutral' supporters) when they had a chance of beating the all blacks in the past but failed, people felt hugely aggrieved. so they posted on here about how crap the refereeing was. the balance of "evidence" will of course be biased. Now, all blacks supporters, you may think their view of referee calls, or at least there provision of "evidence" thereof, would tend to be biased toward the all blacks. Actually, the majority of All Blacks fans want a fair game, a challenge, because we win too often and too easily and people are getting a bit bored of it, and we also don't like the losers having excuses. So All Blacks fans will more often notice the poor calls that favour the All Blacks than the other way around, and they will feel aggrieved about them. So, yeah, your "evidence" is hardly evidence.
     
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    absolutely nonu was a spectacular distributor for most of his career, but definitely was a "turd" at the start.
     
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    yep, all evidence suggests SBW/crotty, with ALB in the reserves. second choice is crotty/goodhue, with ALB in reserves. Please never mention Moala again (luckily he has gone overseas). He should never have been an All Black and is why we lost to Ireland. Laumape impresses me with how much he has developed in a short time, always a sign of a player with real potential (moala, on the other hand, never developed at all, in any way whatsoever), but he has still some way to come.
     
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