[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: England vs. Ireland (27/02/2016)

[TommiG88]

What's reckless about perfectly legally kicking the ball? Isn't it reckless for a player to illegally hold on to the ball that close to his head.

Sorry I forgot the rule that states your allowed to commit an illegal action in disregard to your own safety if the other player compromises your safety by committing a legal one.

Take a lesson from me, block before you get dragged slowly into the dark abyss.

 

[ncurd]

Take a lesson from me, block before you get dragged slowly into the dark abyss.

more fun currently

 

[TommiG88]

more fun currently

I've argued with him all day. Ha

 

[wayevs]

My concern is not that Murray was holding on it was the way brown showed no remorse or safety for a fellow opponent, the way he just lashed out with his boot in a professional game was unacceptable and if he does not get cited there is something wrong, it is a duty of care for a rugby player to make sure no inappropriate punishment is received by a fellow opponent this also applies in tackles m I.e the if you lift a player you have a duty of care to make sure that player is let down safely even though you are competing for the ball. Brown showed no remorse in competing for the ball he was unsafe in his kicking out and it's lucky Murray didn't lose an eye in that contact , he is a disgraful player and deserves a lengthy ban.

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I've argued with him all day. Ha

Don't hide away when we beat you in your own back yard again, OKAY..
Although it is getting boring now beating England so often, it was more fun 20 year ago when we hardly won against you, nah actually it never gets boring beating England

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

My concern is not that Murray was holding on it was the way brown showed no remorse or safety for a fellow opponent, the way he just lashed out with his boot in a professional game was unacceptable and if he does not get cited there is something wrong, it is a duty of care for a rugby player to make sure no inappropriate punishment is received by a fellow opponent this also applies in tackles m I.e the if you lift a player you have a duty of care to make sure that player is let down safely even though you are competing for the ball. Brown showed no remorse in competing for the ball he was unsafe in his kicking out and it's lucky Murray didn't lose an eye in that contact , he is a disgraful player and deserves a lengthy ban.

I actually have to agree with this, one or two composed strikes would be fine. Kicking 6 times like a child throwing a tantrum is very dangerous and illegal for me. I can only imagine how Brown would have reacted, he would have thrown a tantrum, pretended he wanted to fight and bark into the ear of the ref and he'd be right to do it.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Nah... if you can get your foot through from an onside position you can kick the ball.

It's as simple as that IMO.

 

[ncurd]

And the funs ended you use words but have no idea what they mean. Lashed implies he was not committing a LEGAL action. You talk about tip tackles but forget they are ILLEGAL action, also in a tip tackle they are not illegally preventing you from playing the ball as they legally have the ball.

+ I wonder what you have to say about a tip tackle from 4.5 years ago.


Either way blocked no interest in talking to one eyed Welsh fans.

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I actually have to agree with this, one or two composed strikes would be fine. Kicking 6 times like a child throwing a tantrum is very dangerous and illegal for me. I can only imagine how Brown would have reacted, he would have thrown a tantrum, pretended he wanted to fight and bark into the ear of the ref and he'd be right to do it.

How Brown would of reacted to the same thing doesn't change whether what he did was right or wrong.

Honestly I think this probably the telling thing the Irish players lack of reaction suggests they know it was a deliberate action. Players react quite badly to unjust actions like this. The Irish are no saints in this regard.

 

[wayevs]

And I have no interest in talking to blinkered English fans . The fact remains brown was absolutely reckless and the fact is he is a horrible person it's well documented and quite frankly I don't care what you think

 

[ncurd]

Ah yes the other law the one that states if your a **** your immediately guilty. No wonder you know it being a repeat offender.

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Found the block button first time I didn't realise I had to confirm it. First time I felt I had to click it here in the year I've been here.

 

[wayevs]

And the funs ended you use words but have no idea what they mean. Lashed implies he was not committing a LEGAL action. You talk about tip tackles but forget they are ILLEGAL action, also in a tip tackle they are not illegally preventing you from playing the ball as they legally have the ball.

+ I wonder what you have to say about a tip tackle from 4.5 years ago.

A tip tackle is different to someone who is lifted then put down safely, tell me where I mentioned tip tackle ? I said lift first then put down safely then it is not a tip tackle is it?? Your just clutching at straws really ain't you, defending your English thug of a player when it was plain to see he was a thug in that exchange with the ball and a players head, there's no two way about it he should get cited for his actions and banned


Either way blocked no interest in talking to one eyed Welsh fans.

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How Brown would of reacted to the same thing doesn't change whether what he did was right or wrong.

Honestly I think this probably the telling thing the Irish players lack of reaction suggests they know it was a deliberate action. Players react quite badly to unjust actions like this. The Irish are no saints in this regard.

A tip tackle is different to someone who is lifted then put down safely, tell me where I mentioned tip tackle ? I said lift first then put down safely then it is not a tip tackle is it?? Your just clutching at straws really ain't you, defending your English thug of a player when it was plain to see he was a thug in that exchange with the ball and a players head, there's no two way about it he should get cited for his actions and banned

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Ah yes the other law the one that states if your a **** your immediately guilty. No wonder you know it being a repeat offender.

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Found the block button first time I didn't realise I had to confirm it. First time I felt I had to click it here in the year I've been here.

Don't like the simple truth do you

 

[YoungScud]

'A Player is acting recklessly if, before doing something he either fails to give any
thought to the possibility that there is a risk that he might commit an act of illegal
and/or Foul Play, or having recognised that there was such a risk, he nevertheless
went on to do it.'

http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Docu...5/25/RFU_Regulation_19_appendix_5_Neutral.pdf

 

[Thingimubob]

Brown was lucky to stay on.

Whether he's going for the ball or not, he's still used his boot recklessly near the face of an opposition player and made contact numerous times. Seen players banned for "Reckless use of hands near face" before, and I'm sure players have been banned under a similar charge for reckless use of the boot. Wouldn't be shocked to see him cited.

 

[wayevs]

What makes me chuckle is if any other national player did what brown did tonight you'd be all over it like the plague , Jesus some of you were calling for yellow cards for tiny infringements at scrum time yesterday, yet when a known **** blatently stamps a fellow player in the face its accidental right , yeah it's fair game yes so long as he plays for England it is.

 

[ratsapprentice]

By defining what Brown did as reckless is effectively saying that it is impossible to legally kick the ball in a ruck - which it isn't.

If someone is trying to kick the ball that you are holding, I'll give you a tip... let go of it - don't pull it back towards your face.

 

[ncurd]

I can see him being cited (because it's better to do so)....banned I think extremely unlikely, mainly because he clearly targeting the ball.

As noted had Murray not been acting illegal Brown would probably have never contacted his head.

I'm not to entirely sure how that law works as you shouldn't have to anticipate your opponent would continue to act illegally.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

And the funs ended you use words but have no idea what they mean. Lashed implies he was not committing a LEGAL action. You talk about tip tackles but forget they are ILLEGAL action, also in a tip tackle they are not illegally preventing you from playing the ball as they legally have the ball.

+ I wonder what you have to say about a tip tackle from 4.5 years ago.


Either way blocked no interest in talking to one eyed Welsh fans.

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How Brown would of reacted to the same thing doesn't change whether what he did was right or wrong.

Honestly I think this probably the telling thing the Irish players lack of reaction suggests they know it was a deliberate action. Players react quite badly to unjust actions like this. The Irish are no saints in this regard.

Never stated they were... But Brown's reaction would matter when discussing the player himself. It also wasn't just a kicking action but he was swinging his leg around the ruck and caught Murray twice on the recoil. I don't know if you play or have been in the position yourself but when you're in their you kick with a stabbing action. Kick, ground your foot and start again if you miss, the way Brown was kicking his boot could have gone anywhere and in this case it caught Murray's face.

Players have a duty of care to one another and although the action of kicking the ball is legal it was very foreseeable that kicking recklessly like he did was going to injure someone, it did in this case and Brown was extremely negligent in his action and should have been punished. I'll leave it for now and see what the citing commissioner thinks but I'd be very disappointed if that action was allowed because if it happened to me on the pitch Id be hugely ****** off in a prone position. I think this is a case of English posters having to defend Brown so often that they're blind when he actually has down something wrong, you see the sort of thing with every team's fans. Wayevs rather aggressive approach doesn't help either.

 

[wayevs]

Brown was lucky to stay on.

Whether he's going for the ball or not, he's still used his boot recklessly near the face of an opposition player and made contact numerous times. Seen players banned for "Reckless use of hands near face" before, and I'm sure players have been banned under a similar charge for reckless use of the boot. Wouldn't be shocked to see him cited.

And you know what he is actually a decent player , it's his attitude and he showed what type of player he is right there . 100 per cent citing but we will see.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I can see him being cited (because it's better to do so)....banned I think extremely unlikely, mainly because he clearly targeting the ball.

As noted had Murray not been acting illegal Brown would probably have never contacted his head.

I'm not to entirely sure how that law works as you shouldn't have to anticipate your opponent would continue to act illegally.

Easier said than done with Care lying on the wrong side and Haskell diving in off his feet.

 

[petite]

I know, terrible. What next from Brown...killing a baby dolphin with out of the water selfies maybe?

you are a creative dude! what the hell has the dead baby dolphin to do with this! you should go back to maradona 's drug abuse..

 

[ncurd]

That's all fair enough but it remains to me that Murray by illegally holding the ball near his face puts himself in danger not Mike Brown. Had he let go Brown would of just ran through. Therefore even though Brown's technique could be considered poor he has not put Murray at risk, Murray has himself.