[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: England vs. Ireland (27/02/2016)

[wayevs]

By defining what Brown did as reckless is effectively saying that it is impossible to legally kick the ball in a ruck - which it isn't.

If someone is trying to kick the ball that you are holding, I'll give you a tip... let go of it - don't pull it back towards your face.

I'll give you a tip. Watch it again, then again , then again without the rose tinted glasses , then you might see what most people on Twitter are going crazy over

 

[ncurd]

Easier said than done with Care lying on the wrong side and Haskell diving in off his feet.

I think it's pretty easy to let go of the ball absolutely nothing was preventing him doing so.

 

[TommiG88]

you are a creative dude! what the hell has the dead baby dolphin to do with this! you should go back to maradona 's drug abuse..

The only thing Maradona has abused in the last few years is a KFC bargain bucket.

 

[wayevs]

That's all fair enough but it remains to me that Murray by illegally holding the ball near his face puts himself in danger not Mike Brown. Had he let go Brown would of just ran through. Therefore even though Brown's technique could be considered poor he has not put Murray at risk, Murray has himself.

I bet you call a spade a spade don't you, but you'll call a spade a club when it suits you

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think it's pretty easy to let go of the ball absolutely nothing was preventing him doing so.

It's still an arbitrary point, Brown at best cut his face at worst he could have caused permanent brain injury. Blaming Murray for this, by doing something every rugby player does, is pathetic and actually very worrying.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I prefer shovels.

 

[ncurd]

It's still an arbitrary point, Brown at best cut his face at worst he could have caused permanent brain injury. Blaming Murray for this, by doing something every rugby player does, is pathetic and actually very worrying.

I think your being melodramatic there just a tad. I think you'll find though what Mike Brown did fairly common when players can kick the ball and the other is holding on.

 

[LukeFitzgerald]

England, on the basis of the first half and the last 7-8 mins deserved the win. They should have been out of sight by the end of the first half but a lack of accuracy, a double movement and gutsy Irish defence held them at bay.

Ireland played much better in the 2nd half. Their attacking play was far more creative and layered than the last 2 games. Nowell's tackle on Henshaw was immense and JvdF definitely scored that try. Mike Brown should have gotten a red card, without a doubt.

Positives for Ireland:
Better attacking play
Great defense considering Payne was out
Earls played decently enough, one knock on aside
JvdF was very good - highest tackle count in the game (17) and disrupted English ruck ball very effectively
McCloskey had a decent 2nd half, very unfortunate he was forced off due to injury
Dillane made a huge impact - can't wait to see him and Henderson tear it up (with Molony, James Ryan and Alan O'Connor still coming through)
Scrum was much improved with Ross. We must pray that Moore gets back before South Africa.

Negatives:
Zebo, 1 high ball aside, offered little. Threw a very poor pass to Earls which Earls somehow salvaged
Lineout was beyond appalling
Very inaccurate in attack in the first half - so many knock ons and players getting isolated
Sexton was getting pummelled throughout the game and somehow stood back up. However, I doubt he will be able to last for the next year if he continues to get beaten up. Madigan, who did nothing wrong, cannot be a reliable replacement for Sexton. Jackson needs game time against Italy and Scotland.
Murray was very slow and laboured at ruck time. Seemed to take an age to pass the ball. He played very well, however. Marmion and (hopefully) Luke McGrath should see some gametime.

0 wins out of 3 6N games on paper seems like a dreadful statistic but Ireland are nowhere near as bad as most make them out to be. We've been crippled by injuries to some of our most important players: SOB, POM, Fitzgerald, Henderson, Moore, Payne etc etc. We played very well for the first 30 mins against Wales, butchered some chances later on in that game and blooded a new cap in Stander. We were average against France in terrible conditions but were hammered by injuries (having McFadden on the wing for 60 odd minutes), poor accuracy in France's 22 and Peyper had a shocker as he wrongly disallowed a try, missed 2 yellow cards and didn't mind France constantly being a few metres in front of the offside line. Today, we blooded 3 new caps, defended very well for the first half, were inaccurate in the 1st half, played fairly expansively in the 2nd half (had more line breaks and offloads than England), got very close to scoring once or twice, had a try wrongly disallowed and England should have had 2 men in the bin for the last 10 mins. We're moving in the right direction and are getting closer to being a serious team. Our attack is getting more layered and creative and are transitioning well enough from the likes of POC, Ross, McCarthy etc.
By the time of the Autumn internationals or the next 6N, we could be looking at a team of:
1. McGrath
2. Best
3. Moore
4. Henderson
5. Toner
6. POM/Stander
7. SOB
8. Heaslip
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Fitzgerald
12. McCloskey
13. Henshaw/Ringrose
14. Earls/Gilroy
15. Payne/Henshaw
16. Strauss/Tracy
17. Healy
18. Furlong
19. Dillane
20. Stander/POM
21. Marmion/McGrath
22. Jackson
23. Dave Kearney

Obviously the above is based on everyone being fit. It's still staggering that we could have a team with no JvdF, Ringrose, James Cronin, Sean Cronin, Herring, McCloskey, Gilroy, Matt Healy, TOH, Molony, James Ryan (provided Molony and Ryan get decent game time next season and fulfil their potential), Payne, Madigan

 

[ratsapprentice]

Blaming Murray for this, by doing something every rugby player does, is pathetic and actually very worrying.

No-one should be blaming anyone for someone sustaining a cut to the eye in a contact sport.

Jesus christ.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I prefer shovels.

"You must spread some rep around before giving it to Tigs Man again". Story of my life babe!

 

[petite]

Nah... if you can get your foot through from an onside position you can kick the ball.

It's as simple as that IMO.

Landajo was yellow carded for way les in the cheetahs vs jaguars game!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Landajo was yellow carded for way les in the cheetahs vs jaguars game!

Haven't seen it, if it's as you say then he shouldn't have been carded.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

No-one should be blaming anyone for someone sustaining a cut to the eye in a contact sport.

Jesus christ.

Tip tackles that don't dislocate shoulders still get punished...

 

[ratsapprentice]

Tip tackles are illegal.

Kicking the ball from an onside position in a ruck is legal.

 

[ncurd]

Tip tackles that don't dislocate shoulders still get punished...

as I noted earlier a tip tackle doesn't happen due to the defender committing an illegal action.

 

[martinspoonboy1]

Well we'll see if Brown gets cited and then we'll know if he did anything wrong.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Tip tackles are illegal.

Kicking the ball from an onside position in a ruck is legal.

as I noted earlier a tip tackle doesn't happen due to the defender committing an illegal action.

Striking a player is illegal, he negligently struck Conor Murray with his foot. How do you miss that point?

 

[ncurd]

Striking a player is illegal, he negligently struck Conor Murray with his foot. How do you miss that point?

and it happens virtually every game unless the player let's go of the ball and it happens again or the player targets the head it gets overlooked.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Jesus wept.

You ****ing softcock.

After every ****ing ireland game we get people complaining about how the poor pale skinned fellas have been assaulted.

Fans from all countries need to find a new sport if they can't handle the physical aspects of the game.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

"You must spread some rep around before giving it to Tigs Man again". Story of my life babe!

Don't I just know it