[2015 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (Round 3)

[munstermuffin]

I never said stats. You get that right? it doesn't seem like you do, it seems like you think i said stats when in fact you were the only person to bring stats up.

Had a few PM's about you as well mate.... funny that, eh?

Did I say you said stats. No. But stats show up what your saying. And glad you had few Pm's about me glad it AGAIN helps deflect. Your a great politician man.
Ha guess you just can't back it up but well your just going to bull**** and obviously can't show much so I'll leave it at that.

 

[goodNumber10]

Did I say you said stats. No. But stats show up what your saying. And glad you had few Pm's about me glad it AGAIN helps deflect. Your a great politician man.
Ha guess you just can't back it up but well your just going to bull**** and obviously can't show much so I'll leave it at that.

No it doesn't, it doesn't show anything other than his stats, and you took one player - what about Kaino and Coetzee? And yes, you' said i said stats.

also you took one player out the three i mentioned as world class, what's Kaino and Coetzees stats like?

You brought up the PM's mate, I'm just pointing out that not everyone agrees with you either, i'm also not sure why you're making this so personal and chucking insults into the mix....

 

[munstermuffin]

No it doesn't, it doesn't show anything other than his stats, and you took one player - what about Kaino and Coetzee? And yes, you' said i said stats.

also you took one player out the three i mentioned as world class, what's Kaino and Coetzees stats like?

You brought up the PM's mate, I'm just pointing out that not everyone agrees with you either, i'm also not sure why you're making this so personal and chucking insults into the mix....

I took 1 and realised you were wrong and maybe other 2 are better I may put time in to check later maybe not. I never said everyone agrees with me or had issue bringing up PM's. Ha I didn't chuck any insult just observation and as I said you've put your backtracking and bull****ting out there so again I will let you off ha.

 

[goodNumber10]

Kaino:
MR Wales – 22 England – 39 – SA – 17 - Arg -75 = 147
Tackles – 4/3 – 9/1 – 9/0 – 11/0

Coetzee
MR: Wales– 17 England – 11 Ireland – 14 – NZ – 11
Tackles – 10/1 – 10/2 – 8/0- 11/0


Look at Kaino, 6m average! LOL!!!!

 

[munstermuffin]

Kaino:
MR Wales â€" 22 England â€" 39 â€" SA â€" 17 - Arg -75 = 147
Tackles â€" 4/3 â€" 9/1 â€" 9/0 â€" 11/0

Coetzee
MR: Walesâ€" 17 England â€" 11 Ireland â€" 14 â€" NZ â€" 11
Tackles â€" 10/1 â€" 10/2 â€" 8/0- 11/0


Look at Kaino, LOL!!!!

Ok you do stats but you said earlier they don't prove anything. Ha GoodNumber10 the gift of bull****ting that keeps on giving. And regards 2 lads. Even if stats say they're great players. I don't see any post saying opposite. So ha keep spoofing and bull****ting buddy. Guess your a pro and experienced at it so won't compete I'll leave you off

 

[goodNumber10]

Ok you do stats but you said earlier they don't prove anything. Ha GoodNumber10 the gift of bull****ting that keeps on giving. And regards 2 lads. Even if stats say they're great players. I don't see any post saying opposite. So ha keep spoofing and bull****ting buddy. Guess your a pro and experienced at it so won't compete I'll leave you off

you told me to do the stats, so i did..... And you're right they don't prove anything in the simple context of metres made average it's the complete package that does - POM has got good stats and he's a very very good player but he's not in the same league as Kaino, Coetzee, Messam, Luguizamon, Alberts.

And you're dreaming if you think some stats prove otherwise.

 

[lucky number 7]

And you're dreaming if you think some stats prove otherwise.

I would say his performances would say otherwise. His stats just back it up.

 

[munstermuffin]

you told me to do the stats, so i did..... And you're right they don't prove anything in the simple context of metres made average it's the complete package that does - POM has got good stats and he's a very very good player but he's not in the same league as Kaino, Coetzee, Messam, Luguizamon, Alberts.

And you're dreaming if you think some stats prove otherwise.

Again keep spoofing. I never anyone is complete package but again id rather dream than spoof and bull**** like you. Ha keep digging.

 

[Maverick1987]

Cole, Brown, Launchbury and thats it, 3 world class players, although I do think Morgan when fit is getting better and I like Parling as for Robshaw he's always looked more a 6 than 7.

Just out of interest who would be the world class players in Wales' team for you ?

 

[goodNumber10]

I would say his performances would say otherwise. His stats just back it up.

I would say his stats are a product of the system he is in. Kaino and Coetzee have the stats to back it up and still stand out past them.

IMHO, you look at a world class player and they are someone who can stand out in a game whilst posting good stats - whereas you have to drill down with POM to prove he's even comparative which is really what instigated my initial question of "how is he world class?". Essentially the answer according to Munster Muffin is because he's a workhorse.

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I never anyone is complete package .

what?

 

[lucky number 7]

I would say his stats are a product of the system he is in. Kaino and Coetzee have the stats to back it up and still stand out past them.

IMHO, you look at a world class player and they are someone who can stand out in a game whilst posting good stats - whereas you have to drill down with POM to prove he's even comparative which is really what instigated my initial question of "how is he world class?". Essentially the answer according to Munster Muffin is because he's a workhorse.

Because he's consistently dominating every forward pack he plays against. Leads from the front and is an all round quality operator at ruck time , in the lineout he's excellent , carrying ball he makes good yardage and he doesn't drop the intensity of his abrasive play. There's no 6 that impacts on game as positively as him at the moment.

Saying he's not world class is really clutching at this stage. Considering his performances under Lord Schmidt and at Munster.

 

[munstermuffin]

I would say his stats are a product of the system he is in. Kaino and Coetzee have the stats to back it up and still stand out past them.

IMHO, you look at a world class player and they are someone who can stand out in a game whilst posting good stats - whereas you have to drill down with POM to prove he's even comparative which is really what instigated my initial question of "how is he world class?". Essentially the answer according to Munster Muffin is because he's a workhorse.

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what?

You just confirm so you never watch Ireland ha man I love this. Where once did I say POM was 'workhorse'?
And well you really haven't a clue do you about a lot
Guess your proving bull****ting is an art and your mastering it without any help

 

[goodNumber10]

Guess your proving bull****ting is an art and your mastering it without any help

so so petty, whats the point of trying to discuss things if you just start on the abuse because you can't agree on something?

You just confirm so you never watch Ireland ha man I love this. Where once did I say POM was 'workhorse'?

The same place you said he was a complete package - no where.

 

[Jbobo]

I would say his performances would say otherwise. His stats just back it up.

Indeed.

 

[munstermuffin]

so so petty, whats the point of trying to discuss things if you just start on the abuse because you can't agree on something?



The same place you said he was a complete package - no where.

Stating facts. Not being petty you just keep changing and making it up to suit.

And well why say according to me POM is world class so because he's a workhorse then say I never said it ?????

Do you be this bad on purpose. I genuinely don't know. That's how bad you are

 

[goodNumber10]

Stating facts. Not being petty you just keep changing and making it up to suit.

And well why say according to me POM is world class so because he's a workhorse then say I never said it ?????

Do you be this bad on purpose. I genuinely don't know. That's how bad you are

You're saying he has consistent stats and isn't flash i.e. he's a workshorse.

Lets start unpacking that data shall we? For a start his tackles stats are spiked by a massive 17 in the Aussie game, so it's a false average really because he actually makes around 8-9 tackles a game. which means your figures aren't even a true representative of what he actually does in a game.

Go back further than the 4 games and his stats really start to break down compared to people like Kaino and co...

 

[profitius]

Is he still digging. :lol:

 

[munstermuffin]

You're saying he has consistent stats and isn't flash i.e. he's a workshorse.

Lets start unpacking that data shall we? For a start his tackles stats are spiked by a massive 17 in the Aussie game, so it's a false average really because he actually makes around 8-9 tackles a game. which means your figures aren't even a true representative of what he actually does in a game.

Go back further than the 4 games and his stats really start to break down compared to people like Kaino and co...

Wait stats now yet before they didn't matter. Crikey. All you'd to do was ask. Yes POM rarely breaks 10 tackles game. If you watched Ireland or read threads here it's been said in past. He does the work in holding up. Correct.
When doing average I clearly noted it was over last 4 games excluding Italy. So November games and here. Nothing false. So again your just trying to cover your bull****ting.
And yes my stats show he's a strong tackler (doesn't miss much) a solid man in lineout and great at turning over and gaining metres tight. So again I'd say they are representing views clearly.

So what's your next bull****ting bit sir.

 

[munstermuffin]

Is he still digging. :lol:

Will you stop ha he's better than a JCB for digging.

 

[goodNumber10]

Wait stats now yet before they didn't matter.

just showing that stats can be maniupulated however you want mate. As i have said all along they are almost redundant without context.

When doing average I clearly noted it was over last 4 games excluding Italy. So November games and here.

Yep, and you also deliberately left out the two other people I mentioned and went purely for the one you thought you could get at... you also tried to spin it that France & England in the 6 Nations is the same as playing NZ & SA in the Rugby Championship (#lol!)

Nothing false.

not false, just cherry picked.

And yes my stats show he's a strong tackler (doesn't miss much) a solid man in lineout and great at turning over and gaining metres tight. So again I'd say they are representing views clearly.

Yep, cherry picked. For example, he made a solitary 1 meter from 9 carries against wales in the 2014 RBS, a game where the pack man shamed the Welsh.

He must be sh*tehouse.