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[2015 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (Round 3)

Wood really hasn't done anything recently to merit inclusion over Haskell or Easter (or Kvesic or Ewera but they're not EPS etc.). It would be pretty regressive to pick him IMO.

I think we need to specifically counter Ireland's kicking game with our selection. Wigglesworth at 9 and Goode (shocking!) at 15 for me.

Wood's been injured, till then he was one of the best 7's in the premiership. He had a poor AI but he was playing very well for Saints.

Certainly warrants the bench over Minty or Croft.
 
Wood's been injured, till then he was one of the best 7's in the premiership. He had a poor AI but he was playing very well for Saints.

Certainly warrants the bench over Minty or Croft.

You think? I hadn't been that impressed by him pre-injury for Saints to be honest. I mean he has been playing much better for club than country, granted.

Anyway, he'll almost certainly make the squad. Probably over Minty as, nominally, Wood can 'cover' lock I think?
 
Wood has been outplayed by Clark most the season, and Clark isn't on the bench. OK, Wood has proven pedigree (of giving away penalties), but still.

Also don't like the idea of Corbs on the bench just yet. Let Saints play him, and perhaps even start???

I still think Ewers misses out due to lineout issues.
 
Wigglesworth and Goode? Yes please. Certainly two international standard players there.

I think Wigglesworth gets some unwarranted stick, he's a dependable option who you know what he's going to do and he'll do it without ****ing up. His pass is a hell of a lot better than Youngs (saying that, a list of "people who pass better than Ben Youngs" isn't exactly a short one ... ) and he's the best kicking nine around. I do have a problem with picking him specifically to counter Ireland's kicking game though - I think it's too reactive, you have to pay attention to your opposition, of course, but you also have to have the confidence to play to your own strengths. The best we've played in the tournament, probably in two years, was the second half against Wales, so our best chance of beating Ireland is to replicate that. That means picking Youngs, unfortunately it then relies on crossing our fingers that he has a good game, which seems to come down to a toss of a coin to be frank. I do worry about Ford's kicking (which needs to be at its most accurate) if he has to spend the day catching handfuls of dog **** thrown at him by Youngs ...

As for Goode ... if Brown isn't able to play (do we know anything concrete about that yet?) then it pains me to say he's probably a decent option - however I would rather see a more progressive choice, either Watson or Nowell, as both have areasonable chance of being an international class fullback in the future. If Brown is fit, then there is no way Goode should be anywhere near the team.

EDIT: Sorry, in case I wasn't clear - what I mean to say, is Ireland don't have a chance in hell of winning and will be lucky to get within 20
 
Wood has been outplayed by Clark most the season, and Clark isn't on the bench. OK, Wood has proven pedigree (of giving away penalties), but still.

don't agree with that at all, I keep going back to it but Wood against Tigers was the best 7 performance I've seen this season bar none he absolutely owned Salvi - he was incredible.

Regardless they are doing every different roles and balance each other out, would Clark be able to play like that for England, very much doubt it.

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I think Wigglesworth gets some unwarranted stick, he's a dependable option who you know what he's going to do and he'll do it without ****ing up. His pass is a hell of a lot better than Youngs (saying that, a list of "people who pass better than Ben Youngs" isn't exactly a short one ... ) and he's the best kicking nine around. I do have a problem with picking him specifically to counter Ireland's kicking game though - I think it's too reactive, you have to pay attention to your opposition, of course, but you also have to have the confidence to play to your own strengths. The best we've played in the tournament, probably in two years, was the second half against Wales, so our best chance of beating Ireland is to replicate that. That means picking Youngs, unfortunately it then relies on crossing our fingers that he has a good game, which seems to come down to a toss of a coin to be frank. I do worry about Ford's kicking (which needs to be at its most accurate) if he has to spend the day catching handfuls of dog **** thrown at him by Youngs ...

As for Goode ... if Brown isn't able to play (do we know anything concrete about that yet?) then it pains me to say he's probably a decent option - however I would rather see a more progressive choice, either Watson or Nowell, as both have areasonable chance of being an international class fullback in the future. If Brown is fit, then there is no way Goode should be anywhere near the team.

EDIT: Sorry, in case I wasn't clear - what I mean to say, is Ireland don't have a chance in hell of winning and will be lucky to get within 20

I'm with you on wigglesworth, though i'd quite like people to explain what countering Irelands kicking game means.

Young's is the longest kicking 9 we have, we don't' want to get into a kick chase battle against Ireland we need to kick long and make "Touches or Turf", at the back we shouldn't' be kicking to regather but squaring up and then smashing it long and into the corners to make that big back three and midfield turn around - put Ireland in their 22, and keep them there. Literally everything should just be fired into the corner, then play form there.

We're not going to beat Ireland by playing Helter Skelter rugby we just need to have massive defence in the middle of the park so they kick on their phase and on our ball make sure we flood the contact area so those choke tackles are going backwards at 100mph.
 
One swallow a summer doesn't make. Wood hasn't been on consistently good form this season, for Saints or England, and surely needs to prove fitness over 80 minutes before he should even start to be considered.
 
One swallow a summer doesn't make. Wood hasn't been on consistently good form this season, for Saints or England, and surely needs to prove fitness over 80 minutes before he should even start to be considered.

As i said i don't agree. He's been good for Saints poor for England - no problem with him not starting but he's a good Bench option.

Lets leave it there, eh?
 
The issue with Youngs' box kicking is accuracy - they're far more likely to go straight to touch or vertical or off the side of his boot at 90deg than with Wiggy (who isn't exactly struggling to clear the ball 15m)
 
Will be tired after working nights but can't wait for this game, Could go either way. I think we have looked a lot better than Ireland so far but we will need to tighten up at back a bit more and if use a similar game plan to what we used against Wales then the win could be ours.
 
As i said i don't agree. He's been good for Saints poor for England - no problem with him not starting but he's a good Bench option.

Lets leave it there, eh?

Happy to disagree :D, but would add that a bench player can easily end up playing 75 minutes plus, and I'd still rather see him play for his club first. Same reason I want to see Corbs starting for Saints, not just stabilising a losing scrum at the end of a game, before coming onto the bench for England.
 
I'm with you on wigglesworth, though i'd quite like people to explain what countering Irelands kicking game means.

I mean that a good kicking team will generally bear a poor kicking team so even though we don't intend to play the same kick-chase game as Ireland, you need to know you have good kicking in your armoury otherwise we'll spend the whole game stuck down in our own half.

You may be right that Youngs's kicking style is better suited, it's just it comes down (again...) to not knowing how good he's going to be until we start playing. Ford and Brown will probably do more of the kicking than Youngs, plus 12T if he plays.
 
The issue with Youngs' box kicking is accuracy - they're far more likely to go straight to touch or vertical or off the side of his boot at 90deg than with Wiggy (who isn't exactly struggling to clear the ball 15m)

Wait.. we're talking about Ben Youngs, who is known for his good kicking here right? I think he's actually very strong with his boot, hasn't had many accuracy problems that I can recall lately.
 
Happy to disagree :D, but would add that a bench player can easily end up playing 75 minutes plus, and I'd still rather see him play for his club first. Same reason I want to see Corbs starting for Saints, not just stabilising a losing scrum at the end of a game, before coming onto the bench for England.

yes mate, don't have a massive issue with what you're saying - to be honest i rpobably wouldn't be rushing him back into the squad for a game like this, but i won't be crying if they do.
 
I take the point that being reactive can be a bad thing, but our kicking game has been so average recently (since the Autumn) that I think we can't afford to not make a few changes. Wigglesworth's kicking is excellent and he is a leftie (boot wise, not politically).

Gooses positioning at full back is his best quality there. In fact it's probably the only facet of his game that could be suggested to be approaching world class. I rate Brown as a better competitor for the high ball (as in he actually jumps better, being more athletic) but as he's out the comparison is academic.

For our backs is go:

9. Wigglesworth
10. Ford
11. May
12. Twelvetrees
13. Joseph
14. May
15. Goode

20. Youngs
21. Cips
22. Burrell / Pennell
 
Wood a dynamic ball carrier? Easter, Wigglesworth, Twelvetrees/Goode as rivalling the NZ bench? Farrell over Cips?

Not sure I agree with any of that!
I obviously didn't make the sarcasm obvious enough :lol:
 
I take the point that being reactive can be a bad thing, but our kicking game has been so average recently (since the Autumn) that I think we can't afford to not make a few changes. Wigglesworth's kicking is excellent and he is a leftie (boot wise, not politically).

Gooses positioning at full back is his best quality there. In fact it's probably the only facet of his game that could be suggested to be approaching world class. I rate Brown as a better competitor for the high ball (as in he actually jumps better, being more athletic) but as he's out the comparison is academic.

For our backs is go:

9. Wigglesworth
10. Ford
11. May
12. Twelvetrees
13. Joseph
14. May
15. Goode

20. Youngs
21. Cips
22. Burrell / Pennell

May so good you've named in twice? Or do you need two Jonny Mays to make one tackle?
 
Just thinking about the chiefs signngs for next year- I think it quite likely that Nowell will spend some time at full back (which imo would be a good thing for England):
10. Slade
11. Jess
12. Hill
13. Campagnaro
14. Woodburn
15. Nowell

...looks pretty tasty actually- shame they didn't sign Robson

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No, we're talking about Ben Youngs who is notoriously an inaccurate kicker :huh:
compared to Care, he's dropping it on the proverbial sixpence. All relative I spose.
 
An assessment I would completely disagree with.

An assessment I would completely agree with. Youngs is a great kicker. Much better than Care and probably better than Wigglesworth. I don't know where this reputation of inaccuracy comes from.
 

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