[2015 RWC] Warm Up Match: New Zealand vs Australia (15/08/2015)

[InsaneAsylum]

I don't think Messam did anything wrong in a sense that he instinctively went to protect his team mates. He's a good guy and it's clear that he didn't go in throwing haymakers at the Wallabies, he was there to try and diffuse the situation.

That said he breached a clear rule in that anyone outside the 30 players on the field cannot be on the ground during play, he should never have got involved and I feel that a $2000 fine is a good enough reminder to him not to do it again.

I'm not going to weigh in on the "Anti New Zealand" thing other than to say G&GR is a great site - sure it concentrates on The Wallabies and Aussie rugby but there's nothing on there that purposefully puts down other teams/nations.

Go easy on GN10, it's hard enough getting people who will actually donate their time to do the analysis of games. I would be keen to see exactly how the Wallabies fell over last Saturday.

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He was bringing out the kicking tee for Dan.

Remember this all kicked off in centre-field after Gold 3 (Palu) was pinged for tripping Aaron Smith over on the right. Messam was bringing the kicking tee on and his path took him right past what was happening.

That's incorrect, the scuffle occured as a direct result of Moore tackling Nonu and Nonu bouncing the ball in Moore's face.

 

[smartcooky]

That's incorrect

No, it isnt!

the scuffle occured as a direct result of Moore tackling Nonu and Nonu bouncing the ball in Moore's face.

I agree, but the reason for the scuffle wasn't the question I was answering.

Jabby remarked "I dont know how he got there so fast", and my response was to that, it and it was correct.

Messam was on his way with the kicking tee to where Carter was. He was there quickly because he was already on the pitch and passing Moore and Nonu when the scuffle broke out., his path took him past where the scuffle broke out.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

No, it isnt!



I agree, but the reason for the scuffle wasn't the question I was answering.

Jabby remarked "I dont know how he got there so fast", and my response was to that, it and it was correct.

Messam was on his way with the kicking tee to where Carter was. He was there quickly because he was already on the pitch and passing Moore and Nonu when the scuffle broke out., his path took him past where the scuffle broke out.

I really shouldn't post on here before coffee

 

[smartcooky]

I really shouldn't post on here before coffee

Try Colombian Coffee mate! Double-strength, black & no sugar. If you aren't awake before you drink it, you certainly will be after... great for hangovers too!!

Just to confirm that I wasn't imagining things...

red arrow: Messam and beanie

green arrow: Dan's favourite kicking tee

 

[austingtir]

He clearly has Palu's Leg and lifts it, hence his left leg stays down and his right leg doesn't.

McCaw has Palu below the knee, his leg is bent from being lifted, his lower leg is loose because of that, he gets underneath Palu because he is manipulating his leg, manipulating someones leg in a Maul is illegal and dangerous play iirc.



He clearly drops his weight under Skelton's center of gravity, you can see it at the back left he has him around the waist and then drops and pulls - i don't really care if you disagree with me I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, I am just offering an opinion on what i saw, you're the person who went on the attack despite my original post clearly saying there was lots going on in both directions.



I clearly say that i am going back through the video, i just didn't mention anything until i'd reviewed the video and confirmed my thoughts.





It's no surprise that an Australian rugby website will be pro Australian, but I'm English, i have no affiliation to Australia or really G&GR. I don' work for them I just contribute the occasional video article analysis articles.

I'm not anti-NZ, you are just horrifically one eyed (hence the rather funny picture) to the point that when ever anyone crticises your boys you go massively out of your way to smear and argue with them - look at the lineout discussion the other week the lengths you went to with Kaplan (ridiculous), and with the scrum discussion in the other thread?

Nothing I've contributed has been anti-NZ, unobjective, nor criticised NZ - so how do you like them apples?

In over a year on this forum i can honestly say you never once said a NZ player is in the wrong, and always find a way to defend them.

You are about as unobjective as they come.

And Lastly on the editing:



Not in the slightest, I have posted my edit history and PM'd Mr Fish about it. It p*sses me off i'm being made out dishonest and a liar when i absolutely did not edit the post in the way you and Heineken claim.

The Text was there, and even if you don't believe that it certainly was there when you replied the second time, you chose not to focus on it and feint being attacked because you are wrong and it works to change the subject.

You are the most full of crap contributor I have seen on here. Its actually scary to think someone thinks your advice is worthy of putting up on any website let alone a rugby one.

I remember you from previous posts and topics and your comments were all the same as in this thread (totally biased and Anti NZ EVERY TIME!!!). The day you post something that actually stacks up you might give us all a shock!

 

[smartcooky]

You are the most full of crap contributor I have seen on here. Its actually scary to think someone thinks your advice is worthy of putting up on any website let alone a rugby one.

I remember you from previous posts and topics and your comments were all the same as in this thread (totally biased and Anti NZ EVERY TIME!!!). The day you post something that actually stacks up you might give us all a shock!

 

[goodNumber10]

How sweet.

 

[TobesHodges]

Bring back Stevo !!

#PrayforSteve

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Try Colombian Coffee mate! Double-strength, black & no sugar. If you aren't awake before you drink it, you certainly will be after... great for hangovers too!!

Just to confirm that I wasn't imagining things...

red arrow: Messam and beanie

green arrow: Dan's favourite kicking tee

Wrong again mate. I'm pretty sure he's holding green slime and has stuck it on Mealamu's back as a practical joke. You should really get your eyes checked if you think that's a kicking tee.

 

[goodNumber10]

Wrong again mate. I'm pretty sure he's holding green slime and has stuck it on Mealamu's back as a practical joke. You should really get your eyes checked if you think that's a kicking tee.

it's not green slime it's clearly a Dan Carter fleshlight

 

[InsaneAsylum]

You are the most full of crap contributor I have seen on here. Its actually scary to think someone thinks your advice is worthy of putting up on any website let alone a rugby one.

I remember you from previous posts and topics and your comments were all the same as in this thread (totally biased and Anti NZ EVERY TIME!!!). The day you post something that actually stacks up you might give us all a shock!

Still everyone's entitled to their own opinion without being labelled "full of crap". We all see things differently.

 

[goodNumber10]

He was bringing out the kicking tee for Dan.

Remember this all kicked off in centre-field after Gold 3 (Palu) was pinged for tripping Aaron Smith over on the right. Messam was bringing the kicking tee on and his path took him right past what was happening.

Messam was on his way with the kicking tee to where Carter was. He was there quickly because he was already on the pitch and passing Moore and Nonu when the scuffle broke out., his path took him past where the scuffle broke out.

incorrect!

Rugbydump just posted the video and an article: http://www.rugbydump.com/2015/08/45...waterboy-liam-messam-joining-on-field-scuffle



Messam was not on the field of play with the kicking tee, (he does bring it on but he arrives 12 seconds after the whistle goes (7 seconds) and 10 seconds after the scuffle starts (09 seconds)).

Lets not forget AB's had NOT signaled for goal yet (Carter is at the scuffle and Owens has his back turned and is walking back to the mark), so he had no right entering the field of play, not to bring the Tee on nor to bring water on.

So he didn't just happen to be passing with the tee and get involved as you make out,He arrived at 19 seconds, 10 seconds after the scuffle broke out, so he clearly entered the field of play with the intention of getting involved.

Sorry but he's gone out there to get involved.

 

[goodNumber10]

Pretty sure everyone who has played rugby has probably at one time or another been either on the sidelines or the bench, and felt compelled to run on the field when it looks like a scrap may happen. First rule is: don't.

A couple of seasons ago, the club i coach (though i wasn't involved at that point), there was a fight (they were playing the police it always happens) and one of the squad members not involved that day ran on and got involved and got knocked the F out.... he's never lived it down.

 

[Mcfadden]

Not sure about clubs, but I know at a high-school level bench and support members getting involved in fights seems to happen a fair bit here in NZ. Not uncommon for a fight to spill over the sidelines and everyone gets involved. Regardless of whether they have anything to do with the match or not. There's been a couple of dooseys in the past few years. Not uncommon to have a strong police presence, although some of that is because of the parents which is another story.

 

[goodNumber10]

There is tons of it in France at all levels, spectators, sub's... If they are affiliated to the club they all wade in.

I take my son with me most Saturdays, he's 4 1/2, and I've given up being in the technical areas when he's there because of the terrible language and abuse, and violence so we tend to walk up the hill, or go sit in the stands and watch the game from up there (can see what the backs are doing better anyway).

 

[TheSaffycen]

You are the most full of crap contributor I have seen on here. Its actually scary to think someone thinks your advice is worthy of putting up on any website let alone a rugby one.

I remember you from previous posts and topics and your comments were all the same as in this thread (totally biased and Anti NZ EVERY TIME!!!). The day you post something that actually stacks up you might give us all a shock!

What a great way to contribute.

 

[TobesHodges]

Not taking sides but from my own personal experience, there's a unwritten rule that absolutely no one but the team on the pitch should get involved in a scuffle, though I do know how the heat of the moment can get to people..

 

[gaston le gaff]

Obviously never been to France even Harrynordickhay's father got invovled, on the pitch he went all by himself then got tackled to the ground and held there for his own protection then escorted out and banned for a couple of months

 

[goodNumber10]

Not taking sides but from my own personal experience, there's a unwritten rule that absolutely no one but the team on the pitch should get involved in a scuffle, though I do know how the heat of the moment can get to people..

Absolutely.

It's very much like that in the UK, but in both Belgium and France it's not uncommon for everyone to wade in.

It's also not unknown for it to continue after the game in the club house etc....

 

[smartcooky]

Still everyone's entitled to their own opinion without being labelled "full of crap". We all see things differently.

What a great way to contribute.

Some of us have reached the limit of our patience with his obviously biased NZ-Hater trolling.