[2015 RWC] Pool A: England vs. Australia (03/10/2015)

[Maverick1987]

Don't need to, they'll have the game won by the 50th minute

Haha fair call ....

 

[Maverick1987]

Any advice on what to do when we get lose on saturday? Can't be on with following wendyball, it's really turning into a extreme sport of midget loving and overkill drama these days. Like watching soaps with the mrs. Might take up golf.

I'm just gonna do what the celts have been doing for years . Support anyone who's playing the team you don't like . Lol

#anyonebutwales
#anyonebutscotland

Ireland are fine

 

[McTallshort]

Any advice on what to do when we get lose on saturday? Can't be on with following wendyball, it's really turning into a extreme sport of midget loving and overkill drama these days. Like watching soaps with the mrs. Might take up golf.

Im going fishing catching the evening tide on the East coast...but if the updates start showing a good perfomance the pub is just off the beach....

 

[kesh]

I agree I'm just saying it's not all over but that's the only scenario where we win and don't go through.

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Also win and defo go out

Aus 2 points England 4

Aus = 11
Eng = 10 + 5 = 15
Wales = 13

Aus 5 Wales 2

aus = 16
Eng = 15
Wales = 15

Still those are extreme examples and if they happen it will be worth a few bob down bookies. Requires Aus to score 4 tries against us and us not to, and Wales to score 4 tries v Aus WHICH WON'T HAPPEN

Have a 2:1 in maths but cba working it out, it's - win the next two games.

Im going fishing catching the evening tide on the East coast...but if the updates start showing a good perfomance the pub is just off the beach....

Don't like killing fish, yeah gone soft. Though sounds like a good way to get away from it.

 

[ncurd]

Have a 2:1 in maths but cba working it out, it's - win the next two games.

Your point?

 

[kesh]

You don't need to do the maths.

 

[McTallshort]

Have a 2:1 in maths but cba working it out, it's - win the next two games.



Don't like killing fish, yeah gone soft. Though sounds like a good way to get away from it.

Oh I wont catch any unless there are some daft ones knocking about.

 

[ncurd]

You don't need to do the maths.

My point was we can win the next two games and still go out. It's fun to work out the scenarios or at least it is for me.

 

[kesh]

Your right, just raging over Wales winning tbh and the kids aren't around to atm vent on / beat up

 

[The80sDogCancer]

England but not by a huge amount.

1 jan 2006 to 18 Sep 2015

England record 63/116 54%
Wales record 56/120 47%

It might be worth to note that England have played NZ 4 more time than Wales (8 games to 12), SA 2 more times (13 games to 15) but Wales have played Aus (the weaker out of SH teams and one I'm reluctant to call top 3 size, we have a top 2) 4 more time (15 games to 11).

your reluctant to call a team who came 3rd at the last world cup and who consistantly sits about 3rd in the world rankings not a 'TOP 3'... why? this has always bothered me because it shows an arrogant lack of respect to the australian team (something apparently the english accuse australians of in droves)

Im assuming your reasoning is strongly based around a deep dislike for australian sporting teams, ive heard english often say us aussies(payers and fans) are bad winners but really every nation has bad supporters, to me its more 'tall poppy syndrome' built around australias sporting successes..

in recent years (post rwc2011 to now) Australia have only played england 4 times, all at twickinham and england won 3 and australia 1, but think back to the 2013 AIs game and if it wasnt for some very bad referring decsions it could easily and perhaps should have been a wallabies victory taking the total to 2 wins from 4.
the last two november tests has seen the australian pack decimated by injuries to key players specially in the forwards (moore, pocock to name some), just look at some of the players australia had out in the lions games, lol the last game they were so thread bare george smith was recalled. not even going to mention the off field problems. I would say that 'yes' england have the wood over australia in recent games but i would easily be saying the complete opposite and that australia has the wood over england if some of those were played in australia.

since the end of the last world cup there are only two teams who really 'have the wood over' the wallabies and it just so happens that australia plays against them more so than all other rugby nations, i have never understood how some sections in the NH rugby community will brandish the wallabies as 'not a good team' or see them as 'easy-beats' if they have a poorer than usual RC, which usually means no wins against the AB or Boks.

i have noticed in this forum as well as others the wallabies in 2013 and 14 being unfairly labelled and disrepected in media and social media, its odd that the NH teams poor record against the AB and Boks dont get the same criticism. this year australia beat NZ and SA at home, when was the last time england had done the same?

If the wallabies results in recent times doesnt scream out 'top 3' i duno what will! (and thats even including the 2 bad years) the only other only side who possibly could is ireland, but to me they have not yet shown enough outside of their 'home' to change my opinion to them, they are the best in the nh by quite abit and perhaps after this world cup and/or a successful tour in the SH will change my mind.

 

[ncurd]

Overkill much? Calm down a little.

I just said I don't count Australia as a top 3 if rugby and on the same level as the top NH teams. I didn't say they were easy wins or a bad side.

 

[TommiG88]

your reluctant to call a team who came 3rd at the last world cup and who consistantly sits about 3rd in the world rankings not a 'TOP 3'... why? this has always bothered me because it shows an arrogant lack of respect to the australian team (something apparently the english accuse australians of in droves)

Im assuming your reasoning is strongly based around a deep dislike for australian sporting teams, ive heard english often say us aussies(payers and fans) are bad winners but really every nation has bad supporters, to me its more 'tall poppy syndrome' built around australias sporting successes..

in recent years (post rwc2011 to now) Australia have only played england 4 times, all at twickinham and england won 3 and australia 1, but think back to the 2013 AIs game and if it wasnt for some very bad referring decsions it could easily and perhaps should have been a wallabies victory taking the total to 2 wins from 4.
the last two november tests has seen the australian pack decimated by injuries to key players specially in the forwards (moore, pocock to name some), just look at some of the players australia had out in the lions games, lol the last game they were so thread bare george smith was recalled. not even going to mention the off field problems. I would say that 'yes' england have the wood over australia in recent games but i would easily be saying the complete opposite and that australia has the wood over england if some of those were played in australia.

since the end of the last world cup there are only two teams who really 'have the wood over' the wallabies and it just so happens that australia plays against them more so than all other rugby nations, i have never understood how some sections in the NH rugby community will brandish the wallabies as 'not a good team' or see them as 'easy-beats' if they have a poorer than usual RC, which usually means no wins against the AB or Boks. i have noticed in this forum as well as others the wallabies in 2013 and 14 being unfairly labelled and disrepected in media and social media, its odd that the NH teams poor record against the AB and Boks dont get the same criticism. this year australia beat NZ and SA at home, when was the last time which england had done the same?

If the wallabies results in recent times doesnt scream out 'top 3' i duno what. (thats even including the 2 bad years)the only other only side who could possibly is ireland, but even they have not really shown enough outside of their 'home' to change my opinion, perhaps after this world cup and/or a successful tour in the SH will change that.

Oh be quiet. No one has said Australia are a bad team, or even close to one. Stop getting your knickers in a twist over a statistics based comment. Not many English have much hope over this game even for in recent times England have had the upper hand over you.

 

[Macsen]

If Australia get an early try I could see this being the Brazil v Germany of the Rugby World Cup.

England have a haunted look around them, and I'm not sure they're psychologically up to it.

 

[ncurd]

Anyway about the actual game.

England by 3 not entirely sure why can just see us managing it...

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I just can't see Wales beating Oz. Ever, anywhere. So (I think) that means we will effectively be knocked out on Sat or win the pool.

Both teams will have different mindsets. We have everything to lose, will that inspire or inhibit? The Aussies know that they'll have another bite of the cherry, regardless. Will that relax them just a little? I really have no idea.

Could it be that playing 2 open sides makes their pack just as unbalanced as playing Billy and Morgan would? Does that give us an edge in the set piece and maul time for instance? Just can't call it.

 

[ncurd]

They beat Aus last year I believe

 

[Wendigo7]

My point was we can win the next two games and still go out. It's fun to work out the scenarios or at least it is for me.

incorrect.

2 wins and were minimum 2nd regardless.

 

[ncurd]

incorrect.

2 wins and were minimum 2nd regardless.

Uh no not at all if you read my previous posts you'll see how.

 

[McTallshort]

If Australia get an early try I could see this being the Brazil v Germany of the Rugby World Cup.

England have a haunted look around them, and I'm not sure they're psychologically up to it.

You know what I think you may be right, im an psychological mess and I only watched the game on Saturday, god knows what a player must be going through.

 

[Macsen]

Despite Wales losing 10 games on the trot against Australia, they have all been very tight games. Wales just couldn't close out tight matches, a problem which seems to have been sorted now (see Twickenham on Saturday). They got the SH monkey off their back against SA in November so, while Aus will be favourites, I don't think the AusvWal match is the forgone conclusion many seem to think it is.