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[2015 RWC] Pool A: England vs. Australia (03/10/2015)

Robshaw is he the greatest 7 ever? Nope even I'm not that mad. However there's nothing to say he can't be a great workhorse like Richard Hill if he were moved to blindside.

6 is unquestionably Robshaw's best position and he should be competing for that shirt with Wood, Haskell and others. But you can't compare him to one of our greatest back rowers ever. Hill's absence almost certainly changed a Lions series result for the worse, Robshaw couldn't make the plane. The real difference is that Hill had the rugby smarts and natural instinct that CR lacks.

Again, without wishing to be rude, it's quite extraordinary that he has captained the side more often than Johnson. More a reflection on the other captaincy options around at the various times I guess.
 
Excuses, self entitlement and puzzling arrogance is witnessed in a lot of English supporters and sport. Never understood it.
So arrogance is OK as long as it doesn't puzzle you? Irony.

I don't know enough about the English side but I've never though Farrel was the right guy for the job. We've learned the hard way that it's very difficult to implement an effective tactical kicking game against the Australasians these days. That said, I feel Aus are a little cocky at the moment and they have a terrible record at twickenham so I don't think Aus are as favoured as they think they are.

Personally I think it would be a real shame if the hosts were knocked out so I'll be rooting for England to take the Aussie's down a peg.
 
Traditionally we have had success playing a tight game plan against the Aussies to begin with. Our pack isn't quite as dominant as previous successes but we will certainly have an edge. Gain line success is particularly important to negate their backrow. Intensity will be everything!
 
Traditionally we have had success playing a tight game plan against the Aussies to begin with. Our pack isn't quite as dominant as previous successes but we will certainly have an edge. Gain line success is particularly important to negate their backrow. Intensity will be everything!

Perfectly summarised really, I'm hoping Launchbury can add a little bit of grunt to the scrum and provide disturbance to the Australian rucks, he's the best we have in the squad in regards to rucking, clearing out etc. If we do break the gainline as well, it's important to clear out fast and hard, and present the ball to Ben Youngs for the outside backs to flourish.

Looking back at the November series win, the scrum was fantastic yes, but the man of the match was Ben Youngs, who made many a linebreak, and Chris Robshaw not far behind in the way he dominated Michael Hooper. He's no slouch at turning ball over is Chris, and he has gotten better over the years. Is he a David pocock, no. However he is not a piece of deadwood in the rucks, far from it!

In fact England's weakness in the ruck when i look at the rucking figures of the back row is from a lack of participation in Tom Wood and Billy Vunipola/Morgan. But Launchbury can assist big time, and Tom Youngs & Dan Cole do regularly hit rucks (Despite the latters propensity for Penalties, he can also turn a lot of ball over)

In fact, last week, England had the quicker ball from rucks than Wales, as an openside flanker, isn't that just what you want? Especially against Sam Warburton, who is a tough jackal over the ball. I'll be very interested to see what happens come Saturday Night, despite the general consensus that England are not up to standard and Lancaster is a moron. He's not, he knows he'll be judged on this and although I think Burgess would be a great player in the "20" shirt on the bench (and covering 12 if they really wanted) and freeing 23 to be covered by Nowell/Slade, Lancaster prefers otherwise, and we'll see just how this pans out. Tbh that's the only real issue I can see with his selection, though injuries are not as likely to occur in this match as in the Fiji & Wales matches, which were highly physical confrontations
 
So if Wales pick up their bonus point win vs Fiji, which at half time is looking a formality, in order to win the group England will need either of the following combination of results:

* A bonus point win over Australia (lol) combined with an Australia win over Wales in which Wales pick up no more than one bonus point.

* A win over Australia with no bonus point, combined with an Australia win over Wales in which Wales do not gain any form of bonus point.

I've always felt the pool to be win or bust for England, as we don't have the quality to progress via the other side of the draw.
 
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Maybe on that small Island of yours, but you guys colossally fail at every sport on an International scale. From Football, Cricket, Rugby, you have never been dominant in anything for any length of time. Maybe a World Cup here or there, but overall, poor return.

Two words - Phil 'The Power' Taylor.
 
All I read was "ifs" and "not the best".

Excuses, self entitlement and puzzling arrogance is witnessed in a lot of English supporters and sport. Never understood it.

not just in sport
 
Right lads we need a draw (BP's don't matter).

Win with 4 group points more than Aus and we're definitely through.

Win with 3 group points more and it's extremely unlikely we won't go through (requires 3 way tie and to be worse on points difference).

Anything else in between it too complex to work out.
 
As far as I'm aware a win against Aus and a bonus point win against Uruguay is enough to put us through either top or second depending on who wins between Wales and Australia
 
6 is unquestionably Robshaw's best position and he should be competing for that shirt with Wood, Haskell and others. But you can't compare him to one of our greatest back rowers ever. Hill's absence almost certainly changed a Lions series result for the worse, Robshaw couldn't make the plane. The real difference is that Hill had the rugby smarts and natural instinct that CR lacks.

Again, without wishing to be rude, it's quite extraordinary that he has captained the side more often than Johnson. More a reflection on the other captaincy options around at the various times I guess.
I think you misunderstood I meant the 6 workhorse aspect. Obviously not the playing on one knee still schooling his opponents aspect.
 
As far as I'm aware a win against Aus and a bonus point win against Uruguay is enough to put us through either top or second depending on who wins between Wales and Australia
Quick Maths

Aus 2 points England 4

Aus = 11
Eng = 10 + 5 = 15
Wales = 13

Yup your right

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Nope wrong further results

Aus 4 Wales 2

aus = 15
Eng = 15
Wales = 15

Could go out on points difference
 
Quick Maths

Aus 2 points England 4

Aus = 11
Eng = 10 + 5 = 15
Wales = 13

Yup your right

- - - Updated - - -

Nope wrong further results

Aus = 11
Eng = 10 + 5 = 15
Wales = 13

Aus 4 Wales 2

aus = 15
Eng = 15
Wales = 15

Could go out on bonus points

Then if Aus win with no BP we will go through top due to head to head and if Wales win we go through second . Either way we need to beat Aus . I don't think any of us will get any try bonus points barring England vs Uruguay obviously
 
Then if Aus win with no BP we will go through top due to head to head and if Wales win we go through second . Either way we need to beat Aus . I don't think any of us will get any try bonus points barring England vs Uruguay obviously
I agree I'm just saying it's not all over but that's the only scenario where we win and don't go through.

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Also win and defo go out

Aus 2 points England 4

Aus = 11
Eng = 10 + 5 = 15
Wales = 13

Aus 5 Wales 2

aus = 16
Eng = 15
Wales = 15

Still those are extreme examples and if they happen it will be worth a few bob down bookies. Requires Aus to score 4 tries against us and us not to, and Wales to score 4 tries v Aus WHICH WON'T HAPPEN
 
Any advice on what to do when we get lose on saturday? Can't be on with following wendyball, it's really turning into a extreme sport of midget loving and overkill drama these days. Like watching soaps with the mrs. Might take up golf.
 
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