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[2015 RWC] Final: New Zealand vs. Australia (31/10/2015)

I think the public have turned when management has made choices anyone with a brain could see was wrong, prime example being play fullbacks in the midfield in big games

Don't think there are any such issues this time round
 
The all blacks can lose a dead rubber game against a nobody team and still have to face a lengthy trial by the media and public, as we scrutinise every minute detail of the game. Playing the aussies this ramps up, playing the aussies in a rwc final, it goes off the chart. In the event we lose, fingers will be pointed, scapegoats will be found (on or off the field,from either team, even officials). It will lead the news for at least a week barring natural disasters.
On a personal level, it cuts deep. very deep. Irrational as it may be i do take it personally. I'd compare it to your long time missus breaking up with you, it takes a while to get over, you ask yourself what could I(we) of done better and all the other emotions you go through. anger, sadness, frustration, disapointment etc I still can't watch 2007 rwc highlights, it still hurts.
 
Serious question to the kiwi members of on here regarding the kiwi public: how do you expect people to react in the calamitous event that the Wallabies win? I remember reading in the past that people have turned pretty bitterly on the ABs upon their return, to the point where someone even spat at them after being knocked out of one RWC and another time when they had "losers" scrawled in red over their bags at the airport after another.

Given they're reigning champs, do you think people might take it a little better if they lose now?

Here's my take - not too dissimilar to what others have said.

The "true" rugby fans of this country will be deeply dissapointed but will take it on the chin.

The ones that will **** me off though are the "know-it-all", so called rugby fans of this country, which will tell you they always knew we were going to lose cause the ABs had done this or that wrong and it was obvious! I suspect those people, conciously or not, go into some kind of self protection mode where despite the dissapointment of losing at least the can take comfort in the "fact" that they were right and the selectors/coaches had it all wrong.

However, I think the answer to your question requires and understanding of what I think are the two main reasons the majority really want this win:
(1) I think people geniunely want a RWC winning send off for DC, McCaw, Nonu, Smith, & Woodcock (have I missed anyone?) and I think everyone feels they have earnt and are deserving of that send off. I think all NZ rugby fans have the expression of DC etched in their memories after the '07 loss, and really do not want to see that again.
(2) Perhaps more importnatnly, as u know whoever wins this game will become the most successful rugby nation of all time in RWCs. NZ rugby fans firmly believe we have earnt the ***le of worlds greatest team over the years, but this has never really been reflected in RWC performances. For quite a long time OZ and then SA had more RWC wins than us. It's been a tough pil to swallow for many AB fans, but a win here puts us on top of the world both now and over time.

So, if we dont win their will be great dissapointment due to (1), and genuine (sporting) pain and heartache due to (2) by a huge chunk of NZ. The later really will hurt, and that hurt will certainly be the driver for a great deal of tossers to come out of the woodwork. However, I actually think by and large the ABs will receive a pretty warm reception from most of NZ if we lose. To this point the ABs have played at times sensational rugby and couldnt really have done any more. If you look on this forum those that doubted the team or had criticsms to begin with have now by in large had to suck it up and accept the coaches actually had things right. Therefore, most who overly criticise if we lose will actually be full of it. The "true" fans I suspect will set asside their dissapointment, very begrudginly congratulate a world champion OZ side, and congratulate a NZ team that did all they could but didnt manage the win on the day.

Thats my take anyway. I'll be gutted, but I hope I'll deal with it with a bit of respect and dignity and I think the majority of NZ will too!!
 
@sanzar

There's a large amount of New Zealanders who can't stand rugby or the culture. Academics and the consecrative/religious don't embrace it, it's more businessmen, tradies, rural and average joes/working class.

My church amongst many others in New Zealand had the quarter-final match on their big screens at 8am. Then proceeded with with the service afterwards. Helped by the fact that it was shown on free to air TV.
 
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C'mon Cooky, tell me you saw the smiley laughing face and knew categorically that I was taking the absolute ****

Aw mate, I was just looking for an excuse to get in the joke about Aussies on the level.

Here's another one

Q: Do you know what Aussie wives do with their arseholes every morning?

A: Make them a packed lunch and send them to work!
 
Serious question to the kiwi members of on here regarding the kiwi public: how do you expect people to react in the calamitous event that the Wallabies win? I remember reading in the past that people have turned pretty bitterly on the ABs upon their return, to the point where someone even spat at them after being knocked out of one RWC and another time when they had "losers" scrawled in red over their bags at the airport after another.

Given they're reigning champs, do you think people might take it a little better if they lose now?

It won't be that bad.. Of course it would suck, but people aren't going to be suicidal about it. There's more than a chance Aussie could nick it and most people are prepared for that, especially when you've got ******s like the NZherald constantly spamming this and former players like Dowd and Zizan Brooke predicting it. It wouldn't be a shock like Japan vs SA.

As I said earlier, most people would just bite the bullet and congratulate an Aussie team who got their sh*t together and created a winning formula with what small resources they have on the back of a great loose forward trio and recalling some former quality players who went overseas @sanzar
 
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Cheers for the answers guys - appreciate all your insights. I suppose when it comes down to it this is the final, so the disappointment will be great but different for both sides in so far as both have made the final and are competing for the ultimate prize all the same.
 
All Blacks: Ben Smith, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea, Dan Carter, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Jerome Kaino, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Owen Franks, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Keven Mealamu, Ben Franks, Charlie Faumuina, Victor Vito, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Beauden Barrett, Sonny Bill Williams

Source
 
Well Kerr-Barlow has well and truly over-taken TJ, I guess it was because TJ is a bit like Aaron Smith and Kerr-Barlow can offer that defensive, more physical side at halfback. TJ is more of a starter as well. But other than that it's business as usual with that 23. Starting to get the nerves a bit, excited..

So, does anyone think the Aussies will have something up their sleeve for the Haka? I'm guessing some face pulling and sledging and a few "COME ON"'s ^.^
 
someone told me at the start of the world cup to put a bet on an Entire southern hemisphere semi finals with a Australia New Zealand Final
 
I feel like with the pool they have had and the lead up to the World Cup with overseas players being included it is almost written in the stars for Australia to lift the trophy. New Zealand are the holders and will be looking to be the first to retain where as Australia in my opinion are the form team in this World Cup and have been involved in some iconic matches..the demolition of England, the epic defence against Wales, the infamous Scotland game and well and truly burying Argentina's chances. It would be a satisfying end to the whole affair and I think and many were saying Australia could come unstuck in the 'group of death' but they have provided us with a lot of great memories. It is going to be a fascinating contest.
 
Wallabies starting XV for the decider:

1. Scott Sio (15 Tests)
2. Stephen Moore (c) (101 Tests)
3. Sekope Kepu (62 Tests)
4. Kane Douglas (23 Tests)
5. Rob Simmons (59 Tests)
6. Scott Fardy (29 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (vc) (50 Tests)
8. David Pocock (54 Tests)
9. Will Genia (65 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley (26 Tests)
11. Drew Mitchell (69 Tests)
12. Matt Giteau (101 Tests)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (30 Tests)
14. Adam Ashley-Cooper (vc) (113 Tests)
15. Israel Folau (37 Tests)
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Reserves
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16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (60 Tests)
17. James Slipper (73 Tests)
18. Greg Holmes (23 Tests)
19. Dean Mumm (43 Tests)
20. Ben McCalman (46 Tests)
21. Nick Phipps (37 Tests)
22. Matt Toomua (30 Tests)
23. Kurtley Beale (59 Tests)
 
Great, so both teams pretty much at full strength. Can't wait.
 
The all blacks can lose a dead rubber game against a nobody team and still have to face a lengthy trial by the media and public, as we scrutinise every minute detail of the game. Playing the aussies this ramps up, playing the aussies in a rwc final, it goes off the chart. In the event we lose, fingers will be pointed, scapegoats will be found (on or off the field,from either team, even officials). It will lead the news for at least a week barring natural disasters.
On a personal level, it cuts deep. very deep. Irrational as it may be i do take it personally. I'd compare it to your long time missus breaking up with you, it takes a while to get over, you ask yourself what could I(we) of done better and all the other emotions you go through. anger, sadness, frustration, disapointment etc I still can't watch 2007 rwc highlights, it still hurts.

If you do lose it could be an epic one. You didn't look amazing against SA, and there's still the matter of a great many of your top guys being off form. Read and Conrad Smith shouldn't really be in the team so Hansen will take a lot of ****. No idea why these guys haven't been dropped yet.
 
If you do lose it could be an epic one. You didn't look amazing against SA, and there's still the matter of a great many of your top guys being off form. Read and Conrad Smith shouldn't really be in the team so Hansen will take a lot of ****. No idea why these guys haven't been dropped yet.

They don't get dropped because they're starters, it's not the starters who win you the game, it's your bench. Which a lot of teams haven't figured out yet, including you lot.
 
Wallabies starting XV for the decider:

1. Scott Sio (15 Tests)
2. Stephen Moore (c) (101 Tests)
3. Sekope Kepu (62 Tests)
4. Kane Douglas (23 Tests)
5. Rob Simmons (59 Tests)
6. Scott Fardy (29 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (vc) (50 Tests)
8. David Pocock (54 Tests)
9. Will Genia (65 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley (26 Tests)
11. Drew Mitchell (69 Tests)
12. Matt Giteau (101 Tests)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (30 Tests)
14. Adam Ashley-Cooper (vc) (113 Tests)
15. Israel Folau (37 Tests)
*
Reserves
*
16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (60 Tests)
17. James Slipper (73 Tests)
18. Greg Holmes (23 Tests)
19. Dean Mumm (43 Tests)
20. Ben McCalman (46 Tests)
21. Nick Phipps (37 Tests)
22. Matt Toomua (30 Tests)
23. Kurtley Beale (59 Tests)

I like the look of the Aussie front row and back row in comparison to the AB's. How in the name of God is Israel Folau still starting?
 
I like the look of the Aussie front row and back row in comparison to the AB's. How in the name of God is Israel Folau still starting?

Do you like the look of the bench over the AB's as well?

I bet you think Sam Cane is rubbish because he knocked it on that one time in that one game, right?
 
I feel like with the pool they have had and the lead up to the World Cup with overseas players being included it is almost written in the stars for Australia to lift the trophy. New Zealand are the holders and will be looking to be the first to retain where as Australia in my opinion are the form team in this World Cup and have been involved in some iconic matches..the demolition of England, the epic defence against Wales, the infamous Scotland game and well and truly burying Argentina's chances. It would be a satisfying end to the whole affair and I think and many were saying Australia could come unstuck in the 'group of death' but they have provided us with a lot of great memories. It is going to be a fascinating contest.

A great many on this website always put the boot in to the Wallabies and give them no chance. Basically every rugby championship half this forum reckon they will come last and they will always lose to Argentina (typically they tend to be either kiwi's or english fans with grudges). I always believed the would be a strong favourite to get out of their group, Wales were always the underdogs given form and history. Wales tbh are not a mentally strong team and they always seem to come unstuck against the southern heavyweights. England getting knocked out early was a surprise, Aussie advancing was pretty obvious.

When it comes to World Cups and given NZ is always a favourite and we have only won at home and are 2/7 tournaments we cop a lot of flak. We are basically written off in knockout games, but maybe things are changing. This current crop has only lost 3 games in the last 4 seasons. We appear to be peaking at the right time and we have a strong 23 man team not just strong starters. We have the most experienced team of all time and many of our players have actually won a world cup. These things make a huge difference in big matches, you need those big time players.

If you look deeper at aussies progression getting past a poor England and nearly losing to Scotland doesn't seem like the stars are aligning it looks like they will need to be 1000% better than they have been to beat us,
 

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